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It could of course be a problem that the official at site was Maj. Ed Bush - it may have diminished his credibility
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It could of course be a problem that the official at site was Maj. Ed Bush - it may have diminished his credibility.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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You asked why were there so many rumors in the news.Originally posted by DanS
I wonder why Oerdin has such a hardon for Bush...
I responded that there was a media blackout on the ground since FEMA said reporters weren't allowed & because reporters couldn't get on the ground coverage they published the only thing they could, rumors.
To which you responded with the generic & idiotic "OMG! Why do you hate America/Freedom/Bush (circle one) so much?"
Good job Dan. Way to advance the debate.
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So in your considered opinion the media blackout had nothing to do with the media not being able to go get on the ground coverage?Originally posted by DinoDoc
Like I said. It's obviously Bush's fault that the media was reporting rumours and fear mongering by local officials as fact.
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The problem was the on the ground coverage, Oerdin. Hell I can't really blame them too much though with the idiot NO mayor spouting the same sort of crap back at them.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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So what was the problem if it wasn't a lack of on the ground coverage? It would seem like the best way to dispell rumors is to get factual first hand information.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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They were too busy subjecting us to their emotional reactions to the situation.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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I think that the journalists are a little excused since both the NO mayor and chief of police told the same unverified rumors wich gave them a kind of official mark. There is a difference between stating that a rumor is a fact and that the information is unverified.Originally posted by Oerdin
So what was the problem if it wasn't a lack of on the ground coverage? It would seem like the best way to dispell rumors is to get factual first hand information.
My real problem is actually with the arrogance of journalists. They seems to think that they always have the right to go as it suits them - just like when there f.ex. is a car accident - people gathers around, not to help, but to take pics with their cellphones and the get pissed if the rescue crews ask them to move. Several times here (denmark) rescue teams has called for police to control such crowds. It's quite sick.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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And God bless them for diong that considered nobody was helping the people there at the time.Originally posted by DinoDoc
They were too busy subjecting us to their emotional reactions to the situation.
That's what the media is for.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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What part about live on the ground 24 converage do you not understand? You are simply wrong Oerdin, and about 125 million American TV viewers know it.There was not on the ground coverage for the first three days.
Remember all those F-16s shooting down news choppers, BUSH IS THE EVAL!!!!Last edited by Patroklos; October 1, 2005, 16:40."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Interrogate what was coming out of the news media and I think you'll find very little information even as to the squalid conditions. Like when did it start, what was the magnitude of the squalor, when did the lights go out in the Superdome for good, did the National Guard have control of the situation at the Superdome, when did the food and water run out, etc.Originally posted by Colon
So that the living conditions at the dome were squalid and that situation was choatic shouldn't be believed either?
We can infer lots of stuff, such as the Superdome must have run out of diesel on date X, therefore the lights went out. Or the toilets must have been backing up starting on date Y, because sewage was no longer being pumped by the city. But there was no reporting inside the Superdome to confirm any of this and the city government didn't even know the details to back up our inferences.
It doesn't indicate anything of the sort. It only indicates that there was a vacuum of information.The very existance of such outlandish rumours points out that the situation indeed was very bad. There were fertile grounds for them.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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This is a problem, because we're going to be spending $200 billion or whatever due to political facts that were established on mass falsehoods of rumors and lies. All future emergency responses will be impacted by the political facts established on these mass falsehoods.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yeah, but if that rumor mongering hadn't been going full blast, people would still be waiting for the Fed's to show up.
Even white suburban inordinate fear of blacks is reinforced by these falsehoods that were established as fact. The impact is wide-ranging and altogether negative!Last edited by DanS; October 1, 2005, 15:57.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Well, just remember that this is all to blame on Bush. There is no reason to say that any journalists are to blame for promoting any kind of racial hate.Originally posted by DanS
This is a problem, because we're going to be spending $200 billion or whatever due to political facts that were established on mass falsehoods of rumors and lies. All future emergency responses will be impacted by the political facts established on these mass falsehoods.
Even white suburban inordinate fear of blacks is reinforced by these falsehoods that were established as fact. The impact is wide-ranging and altogether negative!
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I'd rather spend $200 billion on rebuilding the U.S. than on enriching corporations in the name of rebuilding Iraq.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Activism for Dummies."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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What is preventing you from doing both ?Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I'd rather spend $200 billion on rebuilding the U.S. than on enriching corporations in the name of rebuilding Iraq.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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