Norway is out

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Pekka
Ahh gentleman.. we got ourselves here a true believer!

And you are not ?

[Pekka]

I like to rely on facts myself when it comes to war and loss of considerable amount of lives.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Pekka
I like to rely on facts myself when it comes to war and loss of considerable amount of lives.

Well, there seems to be points of view where we agreee - I too prefer facts.

I though also take into considceration what might happen if you don't use military power where political persuation doesn't work - that part of the equation some people has an tendency to forget.

[Pekka]

I was never against war in Iraq if that's what you mean. But I do oppose the current strategy, which is no strategy, which only hurts all people, coalition and Iraqi people. I'm afraid this ends the worst way possible, and I'll tell you what the worst way is.

It's when coalition leaves too soon. That means the war was fought over NOTHING. If nothing is accomplished, then I guess it really is for nothing, because lots of folks died and will die, and if the goal is met, then .. well that's the worst. And it seems like everyone is talking about getting out, including lots of Americans, so that means the number of troops won't be raised at least, and exit plan is at least very much considered. And where does that leave the liberated Iraqis? In ****hole. I can't support that. And that's a fact.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Well, there seems to be points of view where we agreee - I too prefer facts.

Did Danish intelligence services provide proof (facts) that Saddam is a threat?

You basically went into it based on what someone else said. Maybe just based on what you saw on CNN. Or did USA share "intelligence" even with its smaller allies?

Colin Powell has regreted his UN presentation BTW.

I though also take into considceration what might happen if you don't use military power where political persuation doesn't work - that part of the equation some people has an tendency to forget.

Military power is serious stuff. You can't use it just to change someone's government so that their GDP can grow faster. Or to install a friendly government.

You can do it:

- in self defense
- to prevent genocide

That's it.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by VetLegion


Did Danish intelligence services provide proof (facts) that Saddam is a threat?

You basically went into it based on what someone else said. Maybe just based on what you saw on CNN. Or did USA share "intelligence" even with its smaller allies?

Colin Powell has regreted his UN presentation BTW.

I though also take into considceration what might happen if you don't use military power where political persuation doesn't work - that part of the equation some people has an tendency to forget.

Military power is serious stuff. You can't use it just to change someone's government so that their GDP can grow faster. Or to install a friendly government.

You can do it:

- in self defense
- to prevent genocide

That's it.

There were a time when Denmark was a superpower, but it is some time ago. At that time we might have had info of of our potential enemies, though I'm not sure.

About today's (or rather yesterdays) foreign countries, no, we didn't have any specific knowledgede beyond any other, sov we did not react on a better knowledge. Though, we reacted on what prior to the war was expected to be the thruth - that is saddam had WMD capability.

I find it a little amusing that you are against war against saddam because it after the war has been proven that he had no immident WMD's and at thet same time ignores the fact that he opressed people using rape, torture and random killing - even activated genocide against at least two of the major populations of Iraq.

I think that we have alle reasons nessecary to atack the sadam regime.

What really make me speculate is why so many was against destroying the horror of the saddam rule.

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by VetLegion


Did Danish intelligence services provide proof (facts) that Saddam is a threat?

You basically went into it based on what someone else said. Maybe just based on what you saw on CNN. Or did USA share "intelligence" even with its smaller allies?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3639977.stm

not exactly proof... but something kind of similar

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

How do folks LIVE without Prairie Home Companion?

I wouldn't call that living.

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by BlackCat
There were a time when Denmark was a superpower, but it is some time ago.

I'm sorry, but I must have missed out on that era of Danish hegenomy.

[Pekka]

everyone else missed it too.

[chequita guevara]

Ahhh, the Finns, always loving to forget their history.

[Pekka]

oh look, it's the left hand of Stalin! The holder of the ultimate truth

[chequita guevara]

Nazi punks must die!!!!!

[Pekka]

I agree. I'll bury them with the commie punk. They can then rot in hell together

[RGBVideo]

We had a thread about Danish involvement in Iraq some time back. BlackCat and Winston explained it but I still found it strange. Why Denmark yes and Sweden, Finland etc. no?

Because the Danes are suckers who actually believed that the war was all about disarming evildoers. I believe they still do, you can still see how Winston et aliae are proclaiming their moral superiority every time the topic comes up, innocently believing that most of Europe passed Iraq because they're all cowards and Danes are bringing the glorious democracy and freedom to Iraq.

Here's a brilliant example:

Half on topic. I find it quite funny that if someone agrees on us policy, then they are kissing ass, while those that kisses the french ass and supports their economic goals are considered to make independent decisions.

If you don't send your kids to fight a war, you're doing it just because you want to kiss French ass. Brilliant, pure gold.