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Don't atheist groups have better things to do with their time than to bother courts with stupid lawsuits?
What's stupid about this lawsuit?
"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry Lime
What happens if you refuse to say it btw? I know I wouldn't want my kids to do it.
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Then why call him God? - Epicurus
Originally posted by alva
What happens if you refuse to say it btw?
Nothing.
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Actually it probably is Constitutional as an example of ceremonial deism (an example of why religious people rather than atheists might want to have it removed). I still haven't seen anything that might detract from that position. It seems as if Newdow is insistent on making ideaological mountains out of mole hills.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
About 3 months ago the media played a tape of a teacher going ballistic because a student was reluctant to stand and take the pledge. Kids dont know how badly their teachers will react to their "insubordination", that makes it coercive. And its an open invitation to all the god-fearing bullies who are taught atheists are scum.
Actually it probably is Constitutional as an example of ceremonial deism
It wasn't deists who put the words in, but there's a big difference between a ceremony participated in by deists and using a public school to push this ceremony onto the children of non-deists.
U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled that the pledge's reference to one nation "under God" violates school children's right to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God."
Exactly... We want religious freedom for Iraq and we don't even have it here. But just to nitpick, its a "coercive request". The requirement was ruled unconstitutional in 1943.
Originally posted by DanS
Don't the courts have better things to do with their time?
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Wrong argument. The debate we need to be having is why we need a pledge in the first place ($1 to Doug Stanhope). LotM brings up some good points as to why we may have needed it in the past, but, IMO, it's outlived that usefulness, and not really found another aside from eating up a minute of school time each morning.
I'm not sure what's involved in the naturalization process, but I'm guessing there's already some sort of oath of citizenship that makes the pledge redundant. Whether there is or not, if you want to throw a pledge recitation in as an entrance requirement, fine, but to have the kids saying it daily smacks of insecurity.
Originally posted by Berzerker
About 3 months ago the media played a tape of a teacher going ballistic because a student was reluctant to stand and take the pledge.
That's grounds for dismissing the teacher but it hardly detracts from the point that legally nothing happens to any student that opts out of uttering the pledge.
It wasn't deists who put the words in, but there's a big difference between a ceremony participated in by deists and using a public school to push this ceremony onto the children of non-deists.
In general, courts have ruled that some seemingly religious expressions of government, such as the national motto, “One nation under God,” and the words “In God We Trust” on currency, are in reality “ceremonial deism.” The expressions have been seen as devoid of significant religious meaning because of their rote repetition.
(source only posted to show the meaning of the term as it seemed to be missunderstood)
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For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
If "under God" is only "ceremonial deism" that it is "devoid of significant religious meaning because of their rote repetition," then why is it necessary to have to say the words? If it is a meaningless phrase, we should be able to strike them from the pledge without any hesitation.
"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry Lime
If things are made insignificant due to rote repetition, then there clearly is no point in maintaining the Pledge at all. I think that argument is a load of bull.
Originally posted by MosesPresley
If "under God" is only "ceremonial deism" that it is "devoid of significant religious meaning because of their rote repetition," then why is it necessary to have to say the words?
I already made the arguement that it being judged as being utterly devoid of spiritual significance is a very good reason why religious people rather than atheists might want it removed. I seem to be somewhat alone in that position but it is the one I like the best.
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I think that argument is a load of bull.
It's the reason why the motto being on US currency has survived numerous legal challenges even in the Ninth Circuit.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Originally posted by DinoDoc
I already made the arguement that it being judged as being utterly devoid of spiritual significance is a very good reason why religious people rather than atheists might want it removed. I seem to be somewhat alone in that position but it is the one I like the best.
It's the reason why the motto being on US currency has survived numerous legal challenges even in the Ninth Circuit.
Let's see if I got this right.
The link you posted basically states that we should keep the phrase because it's ceremonial, but meaningless.
Religious people should be upset that it is without meaning.
Atheists want it removed because its a religious statment, but shouldn't be upset, as the phrase is strictly ceremonial, therefore again without meaning.
So if I understand you correctly, you want it removed because it is insincere?
I think that this argument doesn't work.
Religious people wouldn't want it removed due to its insincerity. Religion thrives on ceremony. Not only would they like to keep the phrase, they would encourage it to be said with more reverence. I am sure that believers are saying it reverently. I also think they really don't give a tinker's damn if the atheists say it with reverence or not, just as long they say it.
"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry Lime
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