Opera (browser)

[Q Classic]

hence the whole "upcoming" bit.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hueij

How many developers will implement all this candy with only FF to support it? What do you think my boss will say?

Boss: "WTF?"
Hueij, feeling clever: "Yeah, but it looks great in Firefox!"

If we used your logic we'd never progress with technology.

This is why people like you are lowly website designers.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Asher

If we used your logic we'd never progress with technology.

This is why people like you are lowly website designers.

Like I said, js1.6 and CSS3 are still under discussion, so what's the use of implementing them in your sites?

We have more important things to do, like using today's standards and losing time and money to make them work in that browser made by your favourite software company.

Oh, I forgot. You were the one that said that since IE has a market share of almost 100% it sets the de facto standard. So why give any thoughts about upcoming standards at all?

And yes, I'm proud to be a lowly website designer...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hueij
Like I said, js1.6 and CSS3 are still under discussion, so what's the use of implementing them in your sites?

Here's a thought -- maybe the features weren't implemented for you right now, but for people to try to break them and find bugs?

And here's another thought -- at some point somebody has to implement features before they're used. The features are being inplemented, and as other browsers such as Opera and IE7/8 catch up on featuresets they, too, will begin using them.

I don't recall anyone saying you have to use these new features now -- indeed, it doesn't make much sense given the marketshare. But somebody has to start introducing them to put competitive pressures on other browsers and iron out some bugs in their implementations.

Oh, I forgot. You were the one that said that since IE has a market share of almost 100% it sets the de facto standard. So why give any thoughts about upcoming standards at all?

And yes, I'm proud to be a lowly website designer...

As a web designer, you have to go against the de facto standard, which is right now IE 6.

That will change overtime.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Asher

Here's a thought -- maybe the features weren't implemented for you right now, but for people to try to break them and find bugs?

That's all fine and well, but how does that work out in the workplace?

And here's another thought -- at some point somebody has to implement features before they're used. The features are being inplemented, and as other browsers such as Opera and IE7/8 catch up on featuresets they, too, will begin using them.

FYI, Opera doesn't need to catch up, it's FF that is doing the catching up

As a web designer, you have to go against the de facto standard, which is right now IE 6.

That will change overtime.

Yes, thank you Microsoft. God, I love momopolies...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hueij
That's all fine and well, but how does that work out in the workplace?

Who said anything about having to use it in the workplace immediately...

If you don't want to use it right now it doesn't affect you. If you're designing say, an intranet website in a company like say, IBM where a browser like say, Firefox is the standard...you can go nuts in using it, and in the process fix bugs that you find.

FYI, Opera doesn't need to catch up, it's FF that is doing the catching up

That's a nice comment, but if you'd look at the feature comparisons of the browser rendering engines, Gecko has a lot more an "Presto" is a bit behind...

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Asher
That's a nice comment, but if you'd look at the feature comparisons of the browser rendering engines, Gecko has a lot more an "Presto" is a bit behind...

HTML - Presto ahead by 3
XML - Gecko ahead by 6 (Opera's officially against client XSLT)
XHTML - Tied.
Graphics - Presto ahead by 7 (out of date? How much new SVG stuff is in Firefox 1.5beta?)
CSS - Gecko ahead by 2.
DOM - Gecko ahead by 18.

Bah.

[Urban Ranger]

@ St Leo

[VetLegion]

Tips? Tricks? Anyone got any? Can I make opera cook my cofee via USB?