Opera (browser)

[VetLegion]

Re: Re: Opera (browser)

Originally posted by Mercator


Really? Why? (I can't use it because I have Win98)

You have to say "Opera" before every command. "Opra back", "Opra zoom" instead of just "back" and "zoom" --- it means twice the effort, twice the possibility of saying something wrong (I'm not a native english speaker) and simply - it worked but didn't catch on with me.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Asher
What do you mean by decent control over the tabs?

As in stuff we've discussed before. You mentioned yes, they're there in extensions, and I said I know, but that's not good enough.

I defined good control, in our previous discussion, as the ability to swap the locations of tabs, the ability to duplicate tabs, drag and drop them into different windows, among other things.

Things which you then claimed were "advanced" and that most users wouldn't need them, which is a perfectly valid line, except for the "advanced" part, at which point I merely underscored the argument that that's what it would take for me to truly switch over to Firefox from Opera.

That and better session saving than what's availible with the SessionSaver extension.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
I defined good control, in our previous discussion, as the ability to swap the locations of tabs, the ability to duplicate tabs, drag and drop them into different windows, among other things.

You can drag-and-drop reorder tabs in 1.5, and the other things are accomplished in trivial free extensions.

I'm not sure what the problem is when the advanced behavior you want is accomplished by extensions, which Firefox was designed to support.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Indeed... why include it as a 'standard' when Firefox was meant to be a barebones browser with extensions providing you will all the features you need.

[Q Classic]

I understand all of these arguments, and I simply said, that's not good enough for me--especially when there are multiple implementations of the tab behavior I'd like to see, which then poses a problem as one has to separate the wheat from the chaff.

If 1.5 delivers on the re-ordering tab behavior, that's definitely a mark in its favor; then again, that's precisely what I've been wanting, which makes this whole argument a moot point.

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Honestly, things like RSS readers are frivolities to me, and I'd rather see them as extensions--and yet, they're added in as basic features. Where do you draw the line for what is "standard" and what is not? All I stated was that I disagreed with what the devs decided should be a part of the "standard" featureset, wrt tabs, sessionsaving, and mouse gestures. Because of this slight disagreement, Firefox hasn't and won't replace Opera as my primary browser of choice.

I'm well aware of the extensions, and I do install them. But the simple fact that in Opera, I can install it and have it do all the things I want, right out of the box, so to speak, means that I prefer it to Firefox, where I must go find decent extensions for the three major features I like--especially because the implementations in the extensions may or may not be as capable as the built-in features in Opera.

[Asher]

Firefox 1.5 doesn't come with an RSS reader, but there is an extension called "Feedview" that does just that.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Asher
Firefox 1.5 doesn't come with an RSS reader, but there is an extension called "Feedview" that does just that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they remove that feature from the 1.0 trunk, where an RSS reader was built in?

[Asher]

Yeah, it was in the 1.0 trunk for a few weeks, but they got rid of it because they felt it would be best served as an extension for now.

[Q Classic]

Ah, well. I do like Firefox--don't get me wrong--it's just that the first browser I tend to open is Opera instead. :shrugs:

[Asher]

1.5 supports full SVG and Javascript 1.6 and some CSS3.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Hueij

Waiting for my favourite Fanboy to say stupid things about it

Originally posted by Asher

...

Yeah baby!

Seriously...

1.5 supports full SVG and Javascript 1.6 and some CSS3.

And this is good how??

[Asher]

And this is good how??

What a stupid question?

[Q Classic]

Seeing as SVG, Javascript 1.6, and CSS3 are the upcoming standards for web development....

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Asher


What a stupid question?

How many developers will implement all this candy with only FF to support it? What do you think my boss will say?

Boss: "WTF?"
Hueij, feeling clever: "Yeah, but it looks great in Firefox!"

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
Seeing as SVG, Javascript 1.6, and CSS3 are the upcoming standards for web development....

Dunno about SVG, but js1.6 and CSS3 are still under discussion. There are no standards yet.