Originally posted by aneeshm
To elaborate :
Assumptions : Let us assume that we are the lowest level of created - creator^0 , if you will . Let us also assume that reality has a certain finite complexity , and also a set of rules ( or arbitrary complexity ) governing its behaviour .
Proof and Deductions : If complexity requires a creator ( or intellgent agent - I use the words to mean the same , and creator is shorter ) , then of necessity that creator has to be equal in complexity to the complexity he creates ( as if this is not so , ID falls apart . Why that is so is explained in the first footnote , given at the end of the passage ) .
Therefore , the applying ID to the creator , there has to be a creator^2 of a complexity equal to or greater than the creator^1 . Applying ID to the creator^2 , we come to the creator^3 , and so on until creator ^infinity , who is infinitely complex , therefore uncreatable , therefore organically ( or otherwise ) derived , therefore impervious to the application of ID , and thus ID falls apart .
Footnote 1 : If a creator of an order of complexity can create entities of a higher complexity by the application of systems of rules which he may or may not understand, then ID falls apart as it is , as any level of complexity could be reached without a creator , by assuming that reality has an inherent level of complexity in its structure , and a set of rules ( complex conjugations of which lead to further , more complex sets of rules ) that governs its behaviour .
Hence 0wned .
Trollnote 1 : ID must be a rather ill-thought out theory if a science student in India , who has never studied philosophy formally ( or even informally ) , can disprove and dismiss it using one of the most rudementaty logical fallacies .
Not that I hope to convince anyone - the believers believe not to feel , but because they want to believe .
To elaborate :
Assumptions : Let us assume that we are the lowest level of created - creator^0 , if you will . Let us also assume that reality has a certain finite complexity , and also a set of rules ( or arbitrary complexity ) governing its behaviour .
Proof and Deductions : If complexity requires a creator ( or intellgent agent - I use the words to mean the same , and creator is shorter ) , then of necessity that creator has to be equal in complexity to the complexity he creates ( as if this is not so , ID falls apart . Why that is so is explained in the first footnote , given at the end of the passage ) .
Therefore , the applying ID to the creator , there has to be a creator^2 of a complexity equal to or greater than the creator^1 . Applying ID to the creator^2 , we come to the creator^3 , and so on until creator ^infinity , who is infinitely complex , therefore uncreatable , therefore organically ( or otherwise ) derived , therefore impervious to the application of ID , and thus ID falls apart .
Footnote 1 : If a creator of an order of complexity can create entities of a higher complexity by the application of systems of rules which he may or may not understand, then ID falls apart as it is , as any level of complexity could be reached without a creator , by assuming that reality has an inherent level of complexity in its structure , and a set of rules ( complex conjugations of which lead to further , more complex sets of rules ) that governs its behaviour .
Hence 0wned .
Trollnote 1 : ID must be a rather ill-thought out theory if a science student in India , who has never studied philosophy formally ( or even informally ) , can disprove and dismiss it using one of the most rudementaty logical fallacies .
Not that I hope to convince anyone - the believers believe not to feel , but because they want to believe .
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