Bush has failed

[Patroklos]

Yes, because what the experts said would happen didn't, and it is questionable that whether any of the improvements people said would have happened with more funding would have made a difference.

I suspect they would have helped, but not enough. Defending against storm surges is not the same as normal gradual flooding over time. For normal flooding you just need higher/thicker levees, for storm surges things like jetties and artificial sand bars act to raise the wave before it hits the beach so that it doesn't smack straight into the shore/levee. They would have strenghtened the levees themselves as well.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Yes, because what the experts said would happen didn't, and it is questionable that whether any of the improvements people said would have happened with more funding would have made a difference.

I suspect they would have helped, but not enough. Defending against storm surges is not the same as normal gradual flooding over time. For normal flooding you just need higher/thicker levees, for storm surges things like jetties and artificial sand bars act to raise the wave before it hits the beach so that it doesn't smack straight into the shore/levee. They would have strenghtened the levees themselves as well.

I am not talking about trying to improve the levees. The Local, State, and Federal government should have had a plan to help the people in New Orleans when a hurricane and levy breach. Instead the Federal government was clueless for days and the local and state government wasted time in issuing the evcuation order. There where a lot of things they could have done to prevent the loss of life and chaos after the levy breach that had nothing to do with improving th levies.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Oh no I wouldn't. And I think most Democrats have enough of a sense of shame that they wouldn't try defending the man responsible for such an unbelievable **** up.

Quoted for bull****.

[Sandman]

Well-known popinjay and vocal supporter of the Bush administration, Christopher Hitchens, has also criticised the hurricane response.

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TONY JONES: Even more astonishing, wouldn't you think, that President Bush himself claimed only last Thursday that "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees" - when of course that's what was being anticipated by the disaster planners all over the country.

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: Absolutely. It's one of the two or three best-known risks to the United States, is that the levees protecting New Orleans could break. I know that and I live in Washington. It's also, I'm afraid to say, the only thing the President has said about this that anyone can remember. I mean, he didn't get there - it isn't that they didn't fly to the city beforehand, which he could easily have done on that kind of warning, and say, "Look, I'm the President of the United States, we can't lose or even risk losing one of our great historic cities. I have come to make sure that all the state and city officials have got everything they could possibly want in advance." For example, a few piles of bottled water wouldn't have come amiss if there's going to be suddenly too much water but none of it drinkable. Elementary things like that. He didn't do that. Then he did a fly-by from his holiday retreat, and then he got there too late and then he said something completely idiotic. So I really can't see there is any forgiveness for that. And remember also, that he did interrupt his holiday not very long ago to pay attention to something that was none of his business at all as President. Namely, the alleged living condition of an actually dead woman named Terri Schiavo.

[Patroklos]

There where a lot of things they could have done to prevent the loss of life and chaos after the levy breach that had nothing to do with improving th levies.

I fail to see how preventing the loss of life do to a levy breach has nothing to do with the levy breach.

In any case, we were directly discussing the levy and its preparedness in the ealier exchange, which is what I addressed.

[DanS]

Well-known popinjay and vocal supporter of the Bush administration, Christopher Hitchens, has also criticised the hurricane response.

Never heard of him.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by DanS


Never heard of him.

[DanS]

Is he somebody who I should know?

[My Wife Hates CIV]

failed what?! a 2nd grade math test?

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Patroklos


I fail to see how preventing the loss of life do to a levy breach has nothing to do with the levy breach.

In any case, we were directly discussing the levy and its preparedness in the ealier exchange, which is what I addressed.

Then why did you say anything in the first place when we are both talking about two different things?

[Richelieu]

It was just a matter of time

Disease brewed by Hurricane Katrina claimed its first victims, officials said, as political polemics sharpened over the federal response to the country's worst natural disaster.
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The five had been killed by vibrio vulnificus, "a bacteria that can enter somebody through a cut, a scratch or a wound," Skinner told AFP, adding the elderly or those with a fragile immune system were most at risk.

[Sava]

Bush is still the number one result of "miserable failure" for Yahoo and Google searches.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by DanS


Never heard of him.

According to reliable sources he's a drink sodden former Trotskyist popinjay.

[Bereta_Eder]

Well there was a lot of talk about naked superpower, talk of racism, 3rd world united states but i cant comment since it's so far away. however they did say it was as if romania was all flooded, and that's a big territory.

but i still think about why there were only blacks there. it was like all the others had left.

also the looting was shocking. but i bet you it would be the same in any country (done by bad immigrants and there's no denying that) that had such liberal laws about guns.

[Chemical Ollie]

I heard nothing about looters in Thailand after the Tsunami. And the rescue workers did not carry weapons. But on the other hand, only the 1-2 km next to the coast was affected, so most of the society was intact, which is not the case in US.