Bush has failed

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Sava


Actually, you have a point.

What I mean is, you are explaining why almost half the country is stupid. Because they are believing in this garbage. Yes, a picture of a few buses from the air. Nevermind the logistical fallacies of that argument, which I already pointed out.

Sorry Whoha, your propaganda doesn't work.

Bush is the one who has sucked the most in this whole disaster.

I'll quickly rehash the points about the buses...

not enough buses to move 100,000 in the time allotted... no drivers, no fuel, no effective plan for picking up and dropping off, no destination... they couldn't even have done it if they had a month to plan and rehearse it...

This little strawman about the buses doesn't even begin to excuse the massive failures of the Bush administration. FAILURE UPON FAILURE UPON FAILURE UPON FAILURE.

And probably tens of thousands of people are dead because of Bush's failure. That doesn't even take into account the despicable acts they perpetrated. The photo ops... the grounding of the rescue operations...

it's criminally negligent homicide.

And if America had any sense of moral justice, Bush would be hanging from a noose along Pennsylvania Ave... and every victim of this hurricane who lost a loved one because of his incompetence would be allowed to throw rocks at his flailing corpse.

The Buses were fueled. To date 2 have been stolen, a Norta Bus and a School Bus, and both used to get people out. the rest in the school bus lot are leaking fuel into the water and it is visible in several of the pictures I have posted.

As to how many people could have been gotten out before hand, 400 Buses * 50 people * 72 Hours of concrete warning / 20 hours per trip out is a low ball of how many could get out before the Hurricane hit, it works out to 60 to 80 thousand. Jabbar Gibson managed to get out 100 people in his bus so those numbers can go up quite a bit.

And these buses would have also proved invaluable in the time after the Hurricane hit, but before the federal government could get additional buses in such as the 300 from Houston ISD that are coming in now.

[Sava]

is anyone here good at math?

what do you get when you add

monday morning quarterback + strawman

???

anyone?

oh yeah...

I think that equals

EXCUSES AND SHIFTING BLAME FROM COLOSSAL FAILURE OF FEDERAL RESPONSE

never learned that in school

[Whoha]

The plan to use these buses to get people out predates the disaster by about 5 years, I'd hardly call that monday morning quarterbacking.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DanS
Texas is really stepping up to the plate by willing to take in so many disadvantaged people. Texas is taking on all of New Orleans' many intractable problems with a smile and without hesitation.

Texas

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by techumseh
It's a weird little alliance that's emerging between the Bush's and the Clinton's. Did anyone see Bill Clinton on Letterman a couple of weeks ago? He's apparently a regular at the senior Bush's and Barbara calls him "son". :gag:

He's a former President. He is accorded proper respect by people with decorum, which the, whatever else the senior Bushes maybe, are. Our current President has broken the tradition, being frequently disrectful to the previous Administration numerous times during his first administration, and most of those occassions turn out latter to be lies. Clinton and Bush senior are simple acting how former President's act, as elder statesmen.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by techumseh
It's a weird little alliance that's emerging between the Bush's and the Clinton's. Did anyone see Bill Clinton on Letterman a couple of weeks ago? He's apparently a regular at the senior Bush's and Barbara calls him "son". :gag:

He's a former President. He is accorded proper respect by people with decorum, which the, whatever else the senior Bushes maybe, are. Our current President has broken the tradition, being frequently disrectful to the previous Administration numerous times during his first administration, and most of those occassions turn out latter to be lies. Clinton and Bush senior are simple acting how former President's act, as elder statesmen.

I don't buy it. I think it's an attempt by the Clintons to cosy up to part of the Republican Party in order to broaden Hillary's base for her presidential run. I suits the Bush gangs agenda since Clinton's braunnosing blunts the ability of the Democrats to mount a clear attack on Dubya. In the end, I think it's futile opportunism on the part of the Clintons. Most Republicans would rather die than support Hillary.

[Drake Tungsten]

Bill and Hillary

Hopefully Hillary can save the Democratic party from itself.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by techumseh
I don't buy it. I think it's an attempt by the Clintons to cosy up to part of the Republican Party in order to broaden Hillary's base for her presidential run.

Well, that would be stupid given that the GOP is completely irrational when it comes to her. No amount of cozying would help, and Clinton is nothing if not the consumate politician. He'd know it was a waste of time.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Hopefully Hillary can save the Democratic party from itself.

How would that work?

[Drake Tungsten]

If she gets the nomination in 2008, which she has the smarts and star power to do, she'll be able to tack the party back toward the electable center of public opinion and away from the leftist fringe that turns off so many moderate voters. She can put the DLC back in the driver's seat again, which would be good for the Dems given that the DLC can actually get their candidates elected.

[chequita guevara]

If she tacks back towards the center, the left wing of the party won't vote. The DLC only got one candidate elected. It's other candidate lost, if you remember (though that had more to do with vote fraud).

[Drake Tungsten]

She's been pretty good so far at keeping her positions vague enough to both appeal to moderates and not drive away the left. It remains to be seen whether she can keep up the act, especially under the bright lights of a Presidential campaign. It will definitely be difficult, considering the passion and idiocy that mixes freely in the Move-On wing of the Democratic party.

The real question is whether the lefties are willing to sit out and allow the Republicans to win again in order to oppose a Democratic candidate who isn't ideologically pure. The Dems appear to have the same dilemna in dealing with their extremist elements that the Republicans have in dealing with the Religious Right.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Well, that would be stupid given that the GOP is completely irrational when it comes to her. No amount of cozying would help, and Clinton is nothing if not the consumate politician. He'd know it was a waste of time.

No, something is going on. Clinton is WAY too cosy with the Bush's. This is not just the ex-president code of silence.

[LiberalAtheist]

Bush is one of the worst, even by reactionary/market fundamentalist standards in presidential history. He is the gold standard of bad leadership and stupidity.


The fact that this mass murdering, insider trading, war criminal failed the victims of hurricane Katrina is no suprise to me.


But what about the nation that elects and empowers such a man, and his general system? A system that gives tax breaks to the super-wealthy and underfunds emergency operations?

I wonder, if we had an extensive coastal-wall system (like Japan) could all of this had been prevented in the first place?

Not that I would want to give the South such protection in any event, seeing as the red states already mooch off my tax dollars and do nothing but whine about it.

If those over-represented idiots want to drown, let them drown.

In any event, I'll never get tired of a bush bashing thread.

[Sava]

for the record... NOT my DL