looting

[chequita guevara]

/me is neither Black nor Jewish.

I have Jewish ancestors and a Black wife.

[Lancer]

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I know at least 2 superstar musicians who would disagree with you...

Or the former President of Arlington Fairfax Congregation in Virginia. Or the former police commisioner of Charleston, SC. Or one of QOTM's best friends (who unfortunately moved to Houston, where she seems to have become Orthodox) And thats just African Americans, we havent even started on Ethiopians, Yemenis, etc.

[Lancer]

Where are all those people going to go? FOX is saying they're all going to have to leave for a couple of months. I was thinking of volunteering to put someone up but I'm watching people looting anything that moves...I don't want those people anywhere near my home.

[chequita guevara]

They could put them up at some of the closed military bases.

[KrazyHorse]

Yemenis aren't black, generally. My fiancée's father was a Yemeni Jew, and while he was quite dark he looked a lot more like an Arab than a black man (even one from Ethiopia)

[Lancer]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
They could put them up at some of the closed military bases.

That's a good idea.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Yemenis aren't black, generally. My fiancée's father was a Yemeni Jew, and while he was quite dark he looked a lot more like an Arab than a black man (even one from Ethiopia)

thanks for pointing that out. Theres a Yemeni shul across the street from my inlaws, but i guess I havent focused too much on how dark they are or arent, other than that theyre pretty easy to tell from the local hasidim. I presume theres some range of complexion in the community. There are other Jewish communities that are quite dark - at least one group from India, I think.

[Boris Godunov]

I whole-heartedly support looting in desperate situations for essentials to survival. Considering the state of NO, they should have authorities looting stores on behalf of the people to get all the supplies they can.

[Whaleboy]

Jewish law

[Chemical Ollie]

Seems you need a scuba gear to reach the loot, though

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


we'll bring him around to the dark side yet. I just gotta dig up the 1930s Reform Rabbi who said something more or less like "Reform Judaism is the religion, of which socialism is the practice"

Solomon Schindler Main Biography

Solomon Schindler (1842-1915), German-American rabbi and social theorist, contributed to the reform movement in Judaism and to the religious socialism of his era.

Solomon Schindler was born in Neisse, Germany, on April 24, 1842, the son of a rabbi. Although he was prepared for the rabbinate, his liberal religious tendencies caused him to enter the Royal Teachers' Seminary at Büren, from which he graduated in 1870. He had married Henrietta Schutz. His unusual conduct and ideas closed certain opportunities, and his openly antipatriotic stand during the Franco-Prussian War made it desirable for him to leave the country.

Schindler and his family arrived in America without resources. Reluctantly, because of financial need, he accepted a post as rabbi in Hoboken, N. J. In 1874 he became reader, teacher, and preacher of a temple in Boston. He proceeded to transform this temple into the Jewish church of his dreams, dispensing with many orthodox rituals and Americanizing the institution in every way possible. Although this lost him some of his congregation, he gained many more. In 1885 a new temple was dedicated with such liberal Protestant ministers as Phillips Brooks and Edward Everett Hale attending.

Schindler expanded his social concerns in ways that made him popular among Bostonians of various religions. He was a friend of the Catholic editor and poet John Boyle O'Reilly. His sermons collected as Messianic Expectations and Modern Judaism (1885)--critical of what he deemed outmoded and unwarranted illusions--were circulated by the Boston Globe. His hope for the world was social reform, particularly as expounded by Edward Bellamy in his novel Looking Backward, which Schindler translated into German. Schindler also wrote a sequel, Young West (1894).

Schindler's approach to religion and social reform brought him local popularity, so that from 1888 to 1894 he was elected to the Boston School Board by all factions. Nevertheless he lost his appeal for his congregation, which sought a native pastor and dismissed Schindler in 1893. He went on to found the pioneer Federation of Jewish Charities of Boston and was its superintendent until 1899. Thereafter until his retirement in 1909, he headed the Leopold Morse Home for Infirm Hebrews at Mattapan, Mass. Schindler in later years offered a sermon, "Mistakes I Have Made," which modified the sweeping nature of his criticism of traditional Judaism. He died on May 5, 1915.

Further Reading

Schindler's reputation has been lost in the uncertain currents of the Christian Socialism of his time. The one treatment of him in modern times, an incomplete analysis, is in Arthur Mann, Yankee Reformers in the Urban Age (1954). See also B. O. Flower, Progressive Men, Women and Movements of the Past Twenty-five Years (1914), and Arthur E. Morgan, Edward Bellamy (1944). David Philipson, The Reform Movement in Judaism (1907; new and rev. ed. 1931), does not include Schindler but develops some of the principles that influenced his thought.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Jewish tradition says it's okay to break the law if you need it for survival. I have always agreed.

On behalf of the Jews of the world(till one of them disagrees edit: several already did) i'd like to make it known this statement is wrong.

*ALOT* of rules can be thrown aside for human survival, not all of them. You can't trade another innocent person's life for your own, for example.

[SlowwHand]

Re: looting

Originally posted by boann
is it looting when your just trying to get water and food.
or maybe diapers for a baby?
when the whole city is underwater and nothing is open and you have no idea when help will arrive.

ok i know stealing TV's and VCR's anytime is looting.
everyone knows that.. but on the news they were showing people with a bag of bread and soda..
people holding diapers.. and saying they were looters.

Looting is looting.
There was ample time to make plans, make purchases.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Re: Re: looting

Originally posted by SlowwHand


Looting is looting.
There was ample time to make plans, make purchases.

I agree stealing is stealing. If you try to justify it in times of disasters, then folks not realy hit by disaster will get the idea well everyone else is doing it so am i. Most folks had plenty of warning that the hurricane was going to hit. i Do feel fo all of the folks that have lost their homes and belongings. And with this nasty flood waters and such if the hospitals send out need for nurses to travel and work id definetly consider it