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  • Mobius: It is obvious that you haven't visited DC, dude. Or were blind when you visited it.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • Originally posted by MOBIUS
      But you're forgetting that DanS doesn't know poverty, living in D.C. he gets everything paid for him by the rest of the country...
      You are so clueless it's amazing.

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      • What really makes me mad is he has me agreeing with DanS yet again.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • In any event, the math is something like this. New Orleans has half a million people, 20% of whom are impoverished. That's where they got the 100,000 SWAG without cars number and the 80% evacuation number. But lots of impoverished people have cars, despite it all. Beyond that, people can catch rides from friends even if they don't have cars themselves, etc. Of course, there are people who aren't impoverished who don't have cars as well. And there are people, impoverished or not, who have two cars for the family.

          Metairie and Kenner, who I guess comprise another 500,000 people or whatever, are also behind the levees and are flooded. As I understand it, and from what I have seen, these areas are very substantially better off than the city of New Orleans. These are suburbs, so very few do not have cars.
          Last edited by DanS; August 31, 2005, 14:09.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • Reports are that the water is no longer rising in New Orleans and stands at 3 feet above sea level, the level of Lake Pontchartrain.
            Last edited by DanS; August 31, 2005, 14:22.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • argh, I'm frustrated no one thinks about swimming. They act like the water is a pool of acid. Yes I realize a lot of people don't know how to swim, but come on. The water isn't that deep.

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              • you can just as easily drown in 2 m of water than in 150 m you know.
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                • Originally posted by dannubis
                  you can just as easily drown in 2 m of water than in 150 m you know.
                  It's good to get a flotation device. . They can steal one. They stole everything else. But I guess jewelry is more important than things that could save your life.

                  edit: Finally! They interview one guy who "swam". The water was only waist deep. I was beginning to think everyone was helpless. I can understand with the old people I saw on the news. Many were diabetic and had heart problems. They certainly aren't going anywhere. But for younger men...
                  Last edited by Dis; August 31, 2005, 15:16.

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                  • Look to the east
                    What?

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                    • not likely to hit New Orleans.

                      What are the odds of the same city being hit twice in the same year by hurricanes? And it's not like it's a big target like the florida coast. A lot of things have to happen for the hurricane to go the right direction in teh gulf of mexico.

                      But just imagine if another hurricane hit. . Granted, most of the people would be evacuated by then. So not many people would die. But the destruction would be unimaginable.

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                      • Another hurricane could create large waves in the flooded area. Not ocean waves perhaps, but fierce enough to smash whatever is left of the submerged houses.
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                        • I'm guessing even a category 1 would be a catastrophy right now.
                          What?

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                          • Originally posted by techumseh


                            Well, a little research clearly shows how wrong you are. The affected gulf coast region has a population of 10 million. In the US 10% of all families and 25% of families earning $25 thousand or less have no car. If we assume (generously) that there are 4 people per family, that's 2.5 million families times 10% equals 250,000 people without a car.
                            My math is awful. 2.5 million families without a car, times 4 people per family (my earlier assumption) equals 1 million people without a car! I should have just applied the 10% factor to the 10 million people in the affected area.

                            So, Dan S, a reasonable estimate is that ONE MILLION people in the affected area have no car. A significant number of these should have been evacuated. It's not just New Orleans, it's Mobile and Gulf Port and lots of other coastal and low lying areas. The poor were just left to drown. The Mayor of New Orleans is now estimating "thousands" dead, BTW.
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                            • I wonder what Hollywood will make out of this? But they already did "Day after tomorrow". so what's left?

                              I also recall seeing some B-movie called "New Orleans is sinking" or something like that, where some alarm scientist was running around in caves and tunnels under the city with the cieling of the tunnels falling in.
                              So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
                              Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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                              • I would have to see your math on the population of the region that was supposed to have been evacuated.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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