Cindy Sheehan Has No Moral Authority

[Berzerker]

I dont see a chastity belt

[Patroklos]

Patroklos - simple question - and you have partial credibility due to your service - and total, once you volunteer for a ground deployment in Iraq - do you support the US intervening in other countries in "our national self-interest" as defined by our political leadership? (versus "defense")

I spent two months off ABOT and KBOT with an M60 and a 9, I believe that counts. And yes, I have already volunteered for Iraq.

[Berzerker]

God's speed

[Mr. Harley]

OK - if you have volunteered for combat duty - I will grant that you have integrity, and you have my respect. I have a real hot button on that - when I had to go to my sister's husband's funeral (the tanker the sniper got) - on the exact same flight (day, time and even flight number was still the same) I took to their wedding two years previously, that really was hideous - I asked my neighbor to watch our house. He is a reserve Blackhawk crewman. He was gung-ho for the war, and then bragged about how he had avoided being deployed overseas, and was saying how happy he was to be going to another school that was letting him avoid that. I had a very difficult time keeping my temper.

So few of those who are so busy cheering on the war are willing to do what you are doing. As you well know, I have also stated we should be paying more taxes to help support you folks. Right now my own personal contribution is money for my sister, let's just say I am less than impressed with the - I was going to say military's, but that is not fair they don't make the laws - congress and the President's mediocre suport of the troops, and their survivors.

I am curious about one thing - and it is what bugs the sh*t out of me with many of those who support this administration, and their policies. The support for the families of KIA's and for vets should be a national scandal. I'm talking about things like when kids lose their parents, and not even letting them finish the school year in base housing and at the base school - or the deliberate attempt to prevent vets from learning about benefits - I can provide links and a story that happened locally, and that is purely and executive order (which reversed Clinton's policy BTW).

It seems our "strong leadership" includes f*ck the troops. That is another thing I find abominable, and for the life of me I cannot understand the excuses made for those policies. Remember, I wanted McCain, and that is part of the reason. And I DID vote in my Republican primary, even though that part of it was decided by the time it got to Kentucky.

[Patroklos]

I am curious about one thing - and it is what bugs the sh*t out of me with many of those who support this administration, and their policies. The support for the families of KIA's and for vets should be a national scandal. I'm talking about things like when kids lose their parents, and not even letting them finish the school year in base housing and at the base school - or the deliberate attempt to prevent vets from learning about benefits - I can provide links and a story that happened locally, and that is purely and executive order (which reversed Clinton's policy BTW).

Almost all of this is a result of the draw down of the force after the cold war. Entire support systems were simply eliminated. I do not blame the left for this, if you cut any entity in half you are going to lose alot, and alot of what was lost were things people took for granted before.

And things are hardly as bad as you make. Most of the 17 year old kids who serve with me live on the ship for free, have three sqare meals made for the a day, and have nothing better to spend their money on than a new car (which they forget to make payments on, and then I have to **** them).

The "death" benefits are really the only glaring problem I see.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Is this your position or are you merely quoting somebody else?

Do you actually have a point or are you merely trying to annoy me? If you do can you please just let it out and despense with the formalities? Perhaps by explaining what "moral authority" means, and why I should care? Sheehan's expierences tell us nothing about the merits or lack of them regarding the Iraq war, so why should her views on the subject be given special weight vs anyone else?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Who cares if Iraq attacked the US? Japan's the only country who ever has, but that doesn't mean that every other war we ever fought was wrong.

Yes it does.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yes it does.

Sorry, I can't buy that. Admittedly, the Korean "Conflict" wasn't ever officially declared as a war, and it was a "Police Action", but I have a hard time thinking that it was wrong.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yes it does.

Oh, I suppose you'd have sat by and watched the Kaiser beat poor hapless Belgium into a bloody pulp? Or allowed his Hunnish friends to feast on Serbian babies? Or allowed his Turkish allies to roast Armenian women over open fires? Or allowed his goosestepping Mexican allies to trample the sacred soil of Texas?

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Or allowed his goosestepping Mexican allies to trample the sacred soil of Texas?

Sounds like a plan.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


There was actually an operation that was conducted over Iraq months before Desert Storm 2. In the operation, the Air Force basically targeted Iraq's air defenses and destroyed them.

Preparation for an invasion? Or just a coincidence?

No kidding! Wait, wait, are you saying that the USAF, dating back to the Clinton adminstration got tired of Waiting to get shot at first and started targeting SAM and AA batteries whose Fire-control radars lit off?

Imagine!




Incidently, when four of the 5 Permenent members of the UNSC agree to enforce UNSCR 688 by way of Operation Southern Watch, then Id describe it as "legal enough".

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

Sorry, I can't buy that. Admittedly, the Korean "Conflict" wasn't ever officially declared as a war, and it was a "Police Action", but I have a hard time thinking that it was wrong.

You think che wouldn't prefer to have Kim Jong Il control all of Korea right now?

[Berzerker]

I doubt he would be in control, the communist state he heads survives via subsidies provided by China, the US, and other countries. This was a result of the cold war... Remove those subsidies and really corrupt regimes fall fairly fast as conditions worsen until a revolt occurs.

Incidently, when four of the 5 Permenent members of the UNSC agree to enforce UNSCR 688 by way of Operation Southern Watch, then Id describe it as "legal enough".

The UN does not over rule the US Constitution. A President lied to take us to war, if that doesn't qualify as a high crime or misdeamoner, bribery shouldn't qualify and a President can and should be impeached for that too according to the Constitution.

I agreed with the impeachment of Clinton because he lied to a jury over a bj in a sexual harassment case and I'm supposed to look the other way now that a President has lied us into a war? Cindy Sheehan wont let me, she calls to my conscience.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
So did he ever attack the US?

Attacking American military aircraft and personnel is an attack on the US. You saying otherwise is like saying the attacks on warships stationed at Pearl Harbor wasn't an attack on the US.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Berzerker



The UN does not over rule the US Constitution. A President lied to take us to war, if that doesn't qualify as a high crime or misdeamoner, bribery shouldn't qualify and a President can and should be impeached for that too according to the Constitution.

I was refering to international law, vice domestic. Which is what I think some of the guys here have been.

I agreed with the impeachment of Clinton because he lied to a jury over a bj in a sexual harassment case

I didn't.