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    Coast Guard ends search for 31 Cubans lost in Florida Straits

    Associated Press

    August 24, 2005, 4:39 PM EDT

    MIAMI -- The Coast Guard suspended its search Wednesday for 31 Cubans believed thrown into the Straits of Florida when their boat capsized during an apparent smuggling run to the United States.

    No victims or survivors were found other than three people rescued Sunday by a merchant vessel north of Matanzas, Cuba, according to the Coast Guard. Those survivors, two women and a man, were being treated in Cuba for burns and dehydration after five days at sea.

    The survivors and Cuban border agents told U.S. officials that 14 people were initially able to cling to the hull of the overturned speedboat after it turned over Aug. 16. Eleven of those eventually drifted away, leaving the three who had life jackets.

    The Coast Guard found an overturned 28-foot boat about 16 miles from the three survivors' location and towed it to Key West. The boat is registered in Florida but investigators were still trying to determine if it was the one used in the smuggling attempt.

    Lt. Cmdr. Chris O'Neil, a Coast Guard spokesman, said at least 200 people are known to have died in attempts to reach the United States by sea in the past five years. Many more have likely perished whose identities are not known to U.S. officials.

    "We need people to understand that migrant smuggling operations are every bit as dangerous as taking to the water in other overloaded or unseaworthy vessels,'' O'Neil said.

    Copyright © 2005, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
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    Smugglers and illegal immigrants.
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    • #3
      We should try and help people get out of Cuba.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kuciwalker
        We should try and help people get out of Cuba.
        So more of them can die in the ocean? Good idea.
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          Helping them get out of Cuba would include helping them get across the water.

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          • #6
            If you really want to help them, lift the US economic blockade of Cuba.
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            • #7
              I really don't get it. Everybody is saying how bad we are yet they are practically swimming to get here.
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              • #8
                "Everybody" is FOS, Vince. I thought that was obvious.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                  We should try and help people get out of Cuba.
                  Why?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                    Helping them get out of Cuba would include helping them get across the water.
                    That would encourage ever more people to engage in ever more dangerous behavior, like those people who hijacked a ferry. The Florida Straights are treacherous waters, and have sunk many ships. The reason we send people back is to discourage them from trying, in order to save lives.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Vince278
                      I really don't get it. Everybody is saying how bad we are yet they are practically swimming to get here.
                      People are also dying to get to the U.S. from Mexico.

                      Interestingly enough, Cuba has it's own illegal immigration problem. Haitians who aren't stupid enough to try and get to the U.S. head to Cuba instead.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                        Why?
                        It's better than letting them drown.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                          It's better than letting them drown.
                          They don't let them drown. They pick them up on their boats or in the water and send them back to Cuba.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            Interestingly enough, Cuba has it's own illegal immigration problem. Haitians who aren't stupid enough to try and get to the U.S. head to Cuba instead.
                            I've always wondered about the Haitians. Why swim to the US or Cuba when you can just walk to the Dominican Republic?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                              It's better than letting them drown.
                              As che notes, that's not the issue.

                              I don't see why the U.S. should be "helping" anyone flee Cuba any more than I think we should be "helping" anyone flee any country and come to the U.S. What, are we going to maintain fleets of vessels off the coast of every country in the world and help potential refugees get to the U.S.?
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