Note to self: never EVER mess with Korean labor protestors

[Datajack Franit]

rioting against police


if they complain about working conditions why don´t they join their happy brothers in North Korea, socialist paradise

[Az]

Or go to cuba!!!!!!

[Datajack Franit]

communism

[laurentius]

As far as I can decifer the data behind the links you posted on document #1 there is no information about average hours worked. Merely the number of employee posts, amount of total wages paid and wages paid per employee post at current and constant prices. In document #2 there is list of how the various variables have changed annually. It does give us some numbers we can use however. Compensation of employees totals for 62.4 % of income of the business sector.

[Az]

Laurentius: My main interest isn't hours worked but wage as part of GDP. It's much more important.

[laurentius]

Alright. Then the problem with the data you provided is that its indicators are about the business sector only, not the whole GDP. I tried to look up for the information on web (The World Bank, IMF etc.) but somehow was unable to locate usefull data. Got ot go get my bike fixed now, laters. El Freako will probably find you the numbers in no time dont worry.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by laurentius
Yeah we need more socially responsible capitalism,

That's a contradiction in terms.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by el freako
I dunno if they are protesting against low wages, but:

Share of Wages/Salaries/Employee compensation in GDP:

South Korea: 62%
United States: 49%
Euro Zone: 48%


Although I suppose they could have been protesting about this:

Annual average hours worked:

South Korea: 2,392
United States: 1,819
Euro Zone: 1,551

SK labor combativeness would be the cause, rather than the result of those numbers. Workers who actually fight for their rights are far more likely to get them than workers who try to negotiate at all costs.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That's a contradiction in terms.

Kinda like "democratic socialism"?

[Az]

No, that's an example of redundant repetition - because it ain't socialism if it's not democratic

[GePap]

Those pics remind me of the protests in '88.

I must say thought that the police is pretty retrained. Even in little old Panama the cops would be flooding the area with Tear gas and shooting up a storm with the rubber bullets.

Ah, the good ol' days.....

[Az]

jesus christ, what did they do? outlaw starcraft?

Btw, post of the thread.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by lightblue
They seem to have a different way of riot policing than Europe. In Europe there'd be far more evidence for water cannons, as well as mounted charges on armored horseback. Guess it's what runs in the culture

I know that even in England that guy with the flamethrower in the bongine wmv would have had a good chance of being shot down.

I was suprised I did not see more water cannon there. For dispersing a crowd it can be quite effective. Anyone that has been hit by a standard 2 and1/2 inch hose at even 100 psi knows that it can knock you off your feet

In winter it would be doubly effective since everyone gets wet and cold-- although the indirect spray is quite welcome on hot days

[el freako]

Originally posted by laurentius
Alright. Then the problem with the data you provided is that its indicators are about the business sector only, not the whole GDP.

Heh, you'll all laugh at me but I made the same mistake

The percentages I quoted (which were from the OECD's Economic Outlook no.77) where 'wage shares in the business sector' so Israel's figure is, like South Korea's, very high compared to most other nations.

I did look at the National Accounts for OECD members in 2003 and managed to get the income data for compensation of employees as a percentage of GDP and the numbers were quite different for most countries; for example South Korea's figure is much lower under this measure (41%), and the US's is much higher (58%, although in the US's case the inclusion of benefits such as healthcare provision in 'employee compensation' probably has something to do with it)
I am not entirely sure why there is such a discrepancy with so many countries but will look into it when I have the time (I've been really busy today helping fit the mast to a friend's Catamaran)

[Donegeal]

Ok, just watched some of the videos and saw the pics. I have not read the thread. Here is my initial reaction.

I see massive numbers of people taking up arms and resisting against official government actions. This is a revolt, and the participants should consider themselves lucky that a higher level of force was not used to regain control of the situation. I do not claim to know what the protests were about and I am not familer with Korean politics, so the only perspective I have is if something like this were to happen in the US. And yes, by the definition of deadly force that I was instructed by, it could have been used.

Once again, this is only from the observable activities and not the causes.

Now, if I have time, I will try to read the thread. Give me a moment.