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  • #76
    Originally posted by Asher
    I hate MM because he's not funny, and because he's a spindoctor just like the worst on the right.

    The lefties who like him are just as spineless as the righties who loathe him because of his policies.

    Sensible people loathe him because he lies and misleads to further his agenda, regardless of what his agenda is.
    oh please, educate us on his "lies"

    in his books, like 15 pages at the end are dedicated to sources

    sources about the movie are found online

    have you even seen or read his work?

    ignorant little tools talking about **** they don't know about

    I don't agree with some of his opinions or POV's... but he presents facts, gives his opinion, and lets the audience make up their own mind.

    take some of the things MM brings up in F9-11... like Bush's connections to saudis and the bin ladens and such. the facts are clear. Intelligent people are aware. you are not.

    tis a shame...

    but I've learned that's the way the world works... you have people that are informed... and others who know/care less about what's going on in the world than the next xbox coming out.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #77
      No one really cares, Sava.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #78
        and that's whats really sad
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #79
          Why do you feel teh fat man should trigger someone's gives a crap?
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #80
            it's not the man, it's the message
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #81
              The other main problem is we don't have fine warriors like Mobius and Sava involved to talk the terrorists to death.
              A new way to torture..

              Oooooohhhhhhh. I can't wait until someone advocates legalizing terror in order to end the war on terror.
              In fact that might be one of the two solutions (along with stopping US influence in muslim lands).
              -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
              -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Ted Striker


                BS

                You have theory, that's it.

                Here's the deal:

                1) Iraq is f'ed up
                2) Osama runs free

                Tell me exaclty what IS going right?
                1) Iraq isn't some garden party, but to say it's f'ed up is a far cry. Some jerks didn't realize that simple things such as secure and rebuild water and power from day one would have made wonders.

                2) Yes, and he will as long as he keeps his ass out of areas where he can be caught.
                [/QUOTE]


                So apparently there is much competent administration going on, as even many Republican Senators have said publicly many times.

                We should have had tunnel vision from day one on tracking Bin Laden. Now you never ever hear about him. The American People should have demanded daily updates and this should have been treated as our national priority every single day until he was found.

                The response I expected should have been the most massive manhunt in the history of the world.


                Instead we have a botched operation and a sideshow hogging up all the best resources. Since you mentioned the "rest of the world," the "rest of the world" pretty much disagrees with everything that is going on.

                I can work 2 jobs, that's great, but it's likely that I will be mediocre, AT BEST at those 3 jobs. Had I dedicated myself to only one, my performance would be much much better.


                It's common sense, check into it.

                And that is not happening ? What do you want ? That FBI sends agents to Pakistani/Afghan border and CIA to the Iran/Afghan borders ? What you want can't be done except you send in millions of soldiers and start a couple of wars.

                The comparison with a single persons ability to do several things at the same time just doesn't make any sense when talking about organisations. Especially since it's not a military object to locate OBL unless they stumble over him - it's a job for the intelligence organisations (well, if these organisations find him, it may be the mili that do something).

                Thanks
                No problem
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by GePap
                  To make MOBIUS happy, think of it as trading time vs human lives.

                  Less than 250 Americans have died lookig for Osama (counting only those killed in Afghanistan) in the last 4 years. In 4 years 250,000 plus Americans died in WW2.

                  See, its a simple time/lives equation.
                  Wow! That's great news. Now we know that we can solve the Osama bin Laden problem with fewer lives lost than in ww2, 'cause I'm sure he's gonna check out in a lot less than 1000 years. Should we cash in on this dividend and go after some more terrorists?
                  "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                  • #84


                    If we avoid actually looking for Bin Laden with our men - none will get killed! Genius!
                    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by MOBIUS


                      If we avoid actually looking for Bin Laden with our men - none will get killed! Genius!
                      Execpt of course those that OBL and associates kills.
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by BlackCat


                        Execpt of course those that OBL and associates kills.
                        you still believe OBL was behind 911.

                        We all know it was Saddam Hussein with his weapons of mass destruction.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by BlackCat
                          1) Iraq isn't some garden party, but to say it's f'ed up is a far cry. Some jerks didn't realize that simple things such as secure and rebuild water and power from day one would have made wonders.
                          Helloooo! Reality check - it's ****ed up! Or at least I hate to think what your idea of normal is...

                          Yep, those jerks were also responsible for invading the country...

                          2) Yes, and he will as long as he keeps his ass out of areas where he can be caught.


                          I am sure a concerted attempt to scour the Tribal Lands of Pakistan would have turned him up by now - face it they aren't trying hard enough...

                          They even know where he is...

                          Why else did he escape when they thought they had him cornered in Tora Bora - perhaps relying on the use of Afghan irregulars instead of US troops might have been a bad idea in hindsight?

                          And that is not happening ? What do you want ? That FBI sends agents to Pakistani/Afghan border and CIA to the Iran/Afghan borders ? What you want can't be done except you send in millions of soldiers and start a couple of wars.
                          What about using intelligence to pinpoint his location? Find out where the Al-Qaeda types are hiding etc - all elementary stuff really...

                          The comparison with a single persons ability to do several things at the same time just doesn't make any sense when talking about organisations. Especially since it's not a military object to locate OBL unless they stumble over him - it's a job for the intelligence organisations (well, if these organisations find him, it may be the mili that do something).
                          But he isn't a single person - he will have people around him. Even now the US will know of Al-Qaeda bases in the Tribal lands. People will know things...

                          Are you seriously telling me that all the power of the world's only superpower can be rendered useless by one man?
                          Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Dis
                            We all know it was Saddam Hussein with his weapons of mass destruction.
                            Yeah, why else would we go after him and not Bin Laden?
                            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by BlackCat
                              Execpt of course those that OBL and associates kills.
                              You mean the ones we made into sitting ducks in Iraq?
                              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                              • #90
                                No, more like the people in the World Trade Center, dumbass.

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