Going to college unready for it

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Ted Striker

The problem with that theory is that this same "talent pool" of educated women is now directly competing with the entire labor force, thus squeezing them out of their own fields. So you have people coming out of other fields and into teaching, instead of lifelong teachers.

So your theory is that the most talented women who may have otherwise been teachers are now pushing presumably less qualified men into teaching? And this wouldn't effect teaching quality how?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You know, ever since conservatives started trying to "fix" public education, it's been getting poorer and poorer results.

Yes, they should be pushing for more african-american and diversity studies.

[:) Smiley]

Speaking of teachers good and bad...

A few months ago I read about an idea to fix the education system by doubling both teacher salaries and class sizes, the logic being one good teacher is better than two bad ones.

I have college classes with close to 1,000 people in one room, surely not every high school class needs to be 25 people or less.

[Datajack Franit]

When I started college it took a couple of months before I gotten so discouraged about my lack of preparation that I seriously thought about dropping. I managed to fill some gaps, but my high school standards were so low.. my english teacher had no clue about the right prononciation of words, and often committed grammar errors while writing something: And correcting right sentences too.

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by rah
Only if they want to or don't want to.
A great teacher may be able to motivate a student, but a school in general doesn't.
Now if you said a mediocre student can be turned into a good one, I'd be more likely to agree with you.

Yep like I said about my school - the whole thing was great. Teachers were terrific and principal was very supportive of teachers and the community was supportive as well. The result was that most of us winded up in Ivy League schools.

[OzzyKP]

Maybe not everyone should go to college.

[Datajack Franit]

replace all books and notebooks with a touchscreen writable laptop.

We are already losing our calligraphy skills

[Alexander's Horse]

the figures are sad only if you believe everyone should go to college

the sadder thing is universities have turned into vocational training institutes which spit out millions of graduates WHO CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

A good liberal education is hard to find these days.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Az
More online learning

I can't wait for the day that all students and pupils will be given free laptops. I am not for disbanding the classroom, I just think that more content should be written and read from computers, instead of wasteful books and notebooks that hurt the kids' backs.

Disband the classroom

[Alexander's Horse]

that's ridiculous - so misguided

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kontiki


So your theory is that the most talented women who may have otherwise been teachers are now pushing presumably less qualified men into teaching? And this wouldn't effect teaching quality how?

You're assuming the men get bumped out because of qualifications. The sheer numbers of women alone in the other jobs means that all men, regardless of ability will get squeezed out.

Jobs don't always get filled by the most qualified person. Heh, anyone who has worked at a company has seen this, often it's about who you know or just being in the right place at the right time, etc.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Except that women weren't in many other fields. Unless you're saying women who would be secretaries or nurses are now teachers...

You're not even following along. Must have had a bad teacher...

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
the figures are sad only if you believe everyone should go to college

the sadder thing is universities have turned into vocational training institutes which spit out millions of graduates WHO CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

A good liberal education is hard to find these days.

I agree with Horse, the classical education is very important and dying out to the corporate whoreing machine.

[Alexander's Horse]

what are you studying btw Ted?

[GePap]

A true liberal education goes against the current and growing idea of a college education as an economic commodity, nothing more than a primer for a job.

The vast mayority of jobs out there don't require someone to go to college AT ALL. If high schools did a good enough job teaching writing skills, then a huge number of people could go straight from high scool to private or public employment. Sometimes I think people just see college as a way to "age" the kids before they actually go to work-what they learn in those four years becoming irrelevant as long as they got a degree.

A true Liberal education forces the student to study a wide range of subject and exposes them to a great variety. That is one of the reasons I loved UofC and its extremely intensive core, because it forces everyone to explore all the different disciplines so they have at least a basic understanding. MOst collages don't do that- you go, you take the classes you are interested in, and your done.