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    Many Going to College Are Not Ready, Report Says

    By TAMAR LEWIN
    Published: August 17, 2005

    Only about half of this year's high school graduates have the reading skills they need to succeed in college, and even fewer are prepared for college-level science and math courses, according to a yearly report from ACT, which produces one of the nation's leading college admissions tests.

    The report, based on scores of the 2005 high school graduates who took the exam, some 1.2 million students in all, also found that fewer than one in four met the college-readiness benchmarks in all four subjects tested: reading comprehension, English, math and science.

    "It is very likely that hundreds of thousands of students will have a disconnect between their plans for college and the cold reality of their readiness for college," Richard L. Ferguson, chief executive of ACT, said in an online news conference yesterday.

    ACT sets its college-readiness benchmarks - including the reading comprehension benchmark, which is new this year - by correlating earlier students' ACT scores with grades they actually received as college freshmen. Based on that data, the benchmarks indicate the skill level at which a student has a 70 percent likelihood of earning a C or better, and a 50 percent chance of earning a B or better.

    Among those who took the 2005 test, only 51 percent achieved the benchmark in reading, 26 percent in science, and 41 percent in math; the figure for English was 68 percent. Results from the new optional ACT writing test, which was not widely taken this year, were not included in the report.

    About 40 percent of the nation's 2005 high school graduates took the ACT, and the average overall score, 20.9 of a possible 36, was unchanged from the year before. But Dr. Ferguson found it heartening that scores were holding even, given that the pool of test takers had become so much larger and more diverse, in part because both Illinois and Colorado now use the ACT to test all students, even those who do not see themselves as college-bound.

    Minority students now make up 27 percent of all ACT test takers, up from 24 percent in the class of 2001. The number of Hispanic test takers has grown 40 percent in that period, and the number of African-American test takers 23 percent. Caucasians taking the test have increased by only 2 percent.

    "It's wonderful that more and more students who might not have considered college several years ago are now making plans for education beyond high school," Dr. Ferguson said.

    But it is a source of concern, he said, that too many students are not taking the kind of rigorous high school courses that will prepare them for college. In fact, only 56 percent of this year's graduates who took the ACT had completed the recommended core curriculum for college-bound students: four years of English and three years each of social studies, science and math at the level of algebra or higher.

    Those who do complete the core curriculum are far more likely to meet college readiness standards, Dr. Ferguson said, but the percentage who complete that core has been falling.

    "The message doesn't seem to be getting though," he said.

    The ACT report highlighted other worrisome trends as well, including a continuing decline in the percentage of students planning to major in engineering, computer science and education.

    And at a time when more women than men go to college, Dr. Ferguson said, it is also a matter of concern that 56 percent of this year's graduates who took the ACT were female, and only 44 percent male. As in previous years, men had higher average math and science scores, and women higher averages scores in English and reading.


    Pretty sad.
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    You know, ever since conservatives started trying to "fix" public education, it's been getting poorer and poorer results. Is there anything these people can do right?
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    • #3
      I think most schools dumb down their stuff.

      Granted, I did not go to a typical public high school, but there are newer schools in NYC that built themselves up to the same level of excellence without the same strict type of weeding out, but by building strong curriculums.

      In college I chose the easy sciences route (since the real science classes were a bit too much for my general interests in the matter) and what is sad is that my basic biology classes were a rehash of my freshman biology classes in HS (actually, less intensive in many ways) yet so many of my fellows at this top 20 private university were clueless.
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      • #4
        Yeah my high school had a very rigorous curriculum and our teachers expected a lot from us. The result - I breezed through college, it was years of partying for me.
        Who is Barinthus?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Barinthus
          Yeah my high school had a very rigorous curriculum and our teachers expected a lot from us. The result - I breezed through college, it was years of partying for me.
          Yeah, the entire education system is kinda in shambles, IMHO.
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          • #6
            I don't remember my college days... got a fancy diploma though
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            • #7
              In certain states, like Illinois, all high school students take the test regardless if they intend to go to further. (they're supposed to anyway) Their scores shouldn't count against the average since most of them really don't care what they score. Some don't even bother filling out the answer sheet completely or just mark answers without reading the questions.

              And sometimes it's not the school but the attitude of the student that counts. A good student will find a way to succeed at a below average school. A bad student will fail no matter how good the school is.
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              • #8
                I'd imagine in Iowa all they do is take standard tests. But then again people have told me my views on Iowa are a bit askew.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GePap
                  I think most schools dumb down their stuff.
                  Yep.

                  I think the problem is that school district policy is made by a democratically elected school board instead of by experts and other people with experience in education (all the people in my hometown's school board are average Joe and Janes). the result is that the school board does what is good for pleasing the parents (like dumbing down the curricula because they are afraid of angery parents screaming that thier wonderful child couldn't possibly as bad of a student as that F says he/she is ) so it's members will be re-elected, not for doing what is best for the kids. It is a general problem that there are too many positions in local government that are filled by election when appointment by merit would be better (*insert obligatory dog-catcher joke*).

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                  • #10
                    When 75% of the student make the honor roll, it ceases to be an honor.
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                    • #11
                      I don't know, from the little entrance test of mathematical skills they told me I shouldn't have taken Calculus immediately, but I did it and got my B.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rah
                        When 75% of the student make the honor roll, it ceases to be an honor.
                        Just move the goal line further then.
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                        • #13
                          Hey, I'm glad, it makes it easier for me to get into a good college

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            You know, ever since conservatives started trying to "fix" public education, it's been getting poorer and poorer results. Is there anything these people can do right?
                            Well, Alberta students rate highest in maths across Canada and our education system was recently "fixed" by a conservative government. IIRC Saskatchewan ranks near the bottom, with a socialist government.

                            Maybe the problem has to do with dumb Americans who enjoy Michael Moore films?
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                            • #15
                              If anything, Michael Moore himself is a victim of the poor emphasis on analysis in high schools.
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