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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I don't think so
MosesPresley was 100-0'ed too. Goes to show an idiot can make a smart fellow look like a fool.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
Originally posted by lord of the mark
The notion that most Americans are raving creationists simply doesnt jive with my personal experience.
You do live in a somewhat more intellectual part of the country.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
You do live in a somewhat more intellectual part of the country.
Sh**, man, I live in Fairfax County Virginia. Nearest house of worship to my home is a"Primitive Baptist" church. Plenty of folks with southern roots. Plenty of conservatives. Guys who work for DoD, for military contractors, etc. One of my daughters best friends at school is a Baptist. (It became an issue, they wanted to do sleepovers, and POTM couldnt do friday night, cause she needed to be up early for shul every week in the year of her Bat Mitzvah, and the friend couldnt do Saturday night cause she has to be up for church EVERY weekend - we finally arranged for it on Friday nights on the few weekends POTM didnt have to be in shul - the friend learned ALOT more about Jewish shabbat rituals then most Baptist kids - she especially likes the candle lighting part, the little pyro) This is NOT a liberal secularist outpost. Its more the boundary between liberal secularist Arlington and Alexandria and the rest of the state. And you go out to Loudon county, or down to Prince William, and it gets more conservative.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Yeah, one of the most intellectual parts of the country. And in my experience, we're pretty liberal secularist.
'course, I go to geek school (TJ), so that may be it.
Yup, TJ isnt quite representative I think. Heck, how many kids in the county go to christian schools? And even most public schools are likely different from TJ.
You might try visiting those parts of the county where they dont have 5 bathrooms per house
Sure we have lots of college educated engineers and what have you. And we are liberal by Virginia standards. But Manhattan or Berkeley this aint. Hell, this aint as culturally liberal as North Arlington.
I mean guev lives in Fort Lauderdale, no? Im willing to bet thats a good bit more secularist than Fairfax County.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
MosesPresley was 100-0'ed too. Goes to show an idiot can make a smart fellow look like a fool.
100-0? I added correctly. But if you mean, that I got 100-0'ed by participating in this sorry excuse of a thread, then I'm guilty as charged.
I don't think a person is a "moron" simply based on whether or not they believe in creationism. They have to have a few other suspect beliefs too.
[A well-known scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is
the tortoise standing on?"
"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down."]
"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry Lime
100-0? I added correctly. But if you mean, that I got 100-0'ed by participating in this sorry excuse of a thread, then I'm guilty as charged.
You're 100-0ed for giving a relatively serious response to Lancer's winked statement.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
Originally posted by lord of the mark
Yup, TJ isnt quite representative I think. Heck, how many kids in the county go to christian schools? And even most public schools are likely different from TJ.
Many, many of the kids who go to Catholic schools aren't Catholic or even Christian.
You might try visiting those parts of the county where they dont have 5 bathrooms per house
Sure we have lots of college educated engineers and what have you. And we are liberal by Virginia standards. But Manhattan or Berkeley this aint. Hell, this aint as culturally liberal as North Arlington.
Something like 13% of adults here have graduate degrees.
I knew very few people who were still creationists after highschool..
although many churchs are basically creationist
I also don't see how creationism and evolution are fundamentally at odds, and can't be made to play happily if people have open enough minds
JM
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
Many, many of the kids who go to Catholic schools aren't Catholic or even Christian.
LOTM - i was thinking more of the fundie schools - Catholic schools dont usually call themselves "Christian" schools. Neither do Episcopalian schools (dont ask ME why)
You might try visiting those parts of the county where they dont have 5 bathrooms per house
Sure we have lots of college educated engineers and what have you. And we are liberal by Virginia standards. But Manhattan or Berkeley this aint. Hell, this aint as culturally liberal as North Arlington.
Something like 13% of adults here have graduate degrees.
87% dont. So if half or so of non-graduate degreed america is creationist, you should see it around here. Folks getting upset at evolutionist explanations at county nature centers. Stuff like that. I just dont see it. Which leads me think that the creationism expressed in this poll is just as thin across the country as it is here.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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