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  • #31
    Thumbs up for Asher for trying to help him instead of cheap taking advantage of such a boy.
    I think 95% of the heterosexuals would have done stuff with such a girl in the steamroom.

    I think it's really hard to be gay, even in these days.
    Eventhough being gay is more accepted in our days then it used to be in the past (not to mention in countries like mine) I think it's still hard to be gay.
    I hope and I'm happy that there are a lot of gays who are happy with who they are.

    Though I think that there are too much people who try to act as if being gay is totally normal.
    I think it should be normal for other people. It's totally wrong to threat somebody different because (s)he 's gay. But for the people themselves it's quiet hard to find out that you won't be a family man with children and grandchildren and to be in a minority. (just to mention some things)

    I think that the thing is that being gay is a part of ones identity. Being heterosexual is not a part of my identity. I never think: "I'm a hetro" just out of nothing.
    If people bash hetero's I won't stand up and protect 'us'. There are no hetero café's or heterolympics.

    I'm glad that there are people like Asher who try to help gays who've problems accepting their identity.

    And about the christian girlfriend:
    I'm a christian myself. I think the gay issue is a hard issue for christians. The bible does condemn homosexuality indeed. Though I think in the end it's something between God and the gay person. Like life in the end is something between God and every person self. Who are we to condemn other people?

    Why would my heterosexual sins be less worse then gay sins? Christians should help their gay fellows like Asher does, instead of condemning them.

    And: being a gay is most of the time a natural thing.
    It does happen in nature. That doesn't make it better or worse. We live in this world with problems. And apparantly being gay is a problem for people like the on Asher talked about. It's not up to us, christians, to enlarge their problems. Neither do I think that it's up to us to act as if these problems aren't there.
    Formerly known as "CyberShy"
    Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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    • #32
      Maybe he has different definition about what constitutes "gay" than you do. How do you define it?
      He's got the Midas touch.
      But he touched it too much!
      Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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      • #33
        did somebody fumigate the steam room after?
        Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

        Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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        • #34
          I think that sort of thing happens, straight OR gay ... trust me, there are plenty of depressed STRAIGHT people who offer to **** any random opposite-sex person who seems to be vaguely interested, for myriad reasons.

          I also think there's just nothing you can do sometimes ...
          <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
          I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by CyberShy
            Being heterosexual is not a part of my identity. I never think: "I'm a hetro" just out of nothing.
            The hell it isn't. You may not sit around thinking about how you are straight, but being hetero is very much art of your identity. Every time you notice a pretty girl, your sexual identity is asserting itself. However, because it is "normal" you don't think anything of it. It's just the way things are. It's like how most white people don't sit around thinking about being white or men don't sit around thinking about being men.

            We are the defined norm. We simply accept that what we are is the way things are supposed to be.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #36
              Dang. Weirdly similar to my experience last Thursday. I pulled a guy at a club and it wasn't until we got back to mine that he announced "I'm not gay...I just like to have fun."

              He proceeded to look at porn, have half hearted sex, and snored. I kicked him out of my house after just under an hour.

              Asher's like the good version of me. Or I'm the evil Asher.
              Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
              -Richard Dawkins

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              • #37
                Originally posted by CyberShy
                Thumbs up for Asher for trying to help him instead of cheap taking advantage of such a boy.
                I think 95% of the heterosexuals would have done stuff with such a girl in the steamroom.
                Wrong. I think when women ask men for a **** they get turned down more often than if they just "let it happen".


                About the topic. I guess the guy is in Denial. Tell him that he have to go through Anger, Depression and Bargaining before he can reach Acceptance.
                If he is religious then chances are high he will stay in between Anger and Denial and discover that if he makes life harder for other gays, he can forget about himself being gay.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Starchild
                  I'm the evil Asher.
                  Asher's already evil.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by snoopy369
                    I think that sort of thing happens, straight OR gay ... trust me, there are plenty of depressed STRAIGHT people who offer to **** any random opposite-sex person who seems to be vaguely interested, for myriad reasons.

                    I also think there's just nothing you can do sometimes ...
                    speak for yourself
                    Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                    Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                    • #40
                      It sounds so weird but in repressed countries (here here) it happens almost daily. He´s young, and probably has no idea what he´s doing, and just try to imagine what kind of family he may have, if he has to invent such pathetic lies around himself
                      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                      Asher on molly bloom

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                      • #41
                        Yeah, sounds like he could be uncomfortable with his sexuality in the context of his friends/family...
                        Speaking of Erith:

                        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                        • #42
                          I just don't like another mans penis inside me, or on me. So.. I don't know.. that was a good night though, girls also came on to me. Now that I think about it.. boy and girls came on to me. Damn, I'm pretty damn good. And I initiated 0 of those come ons. Praise be mine.


                          Golden words! When will we ever see a picture of Pretty Pekka anyway?
                          I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                          Asher on molly bloom

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                          • #43
                            This whole situation seems to part a growing trend that I've seen (not in person) that guys are convincing themselves that giving another man "hand release" or receiving fellatio doesn't make them gay or even bi. There's a whole lot of guys out there who are bi-curious and are in total denial of being even bisexual.
                            If you look around and think everyone else is an *******, you're the *******.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                              Asher's already evil.
                              Fine. I'm Uncaring Evil and he's a different type of evil.

                              I'd like to think I'm the Mint Chocolate Chip of Evil.
                              Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                              -Richard Dawkins

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                              • #45
                                Maybe he was being polite.
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