Should the man pay for everything on a date?

[Brundlefly]

Originally posted by paiktis22

_we want another round of drinks. of course you'll pay
_and why would we?
_because you're dating two godesses and the whole bar is looking at us and are jealous of you


(they didnt say it haughtily, more like teasingly)

fortunately my friend thought quickly of an answer involving the harsh reality that he held the keys to the car and that taxis were particularly expensive

Perfect Answer. This is the attitude you must have with girls. They are testing you all the time to see if you will supplicate to them. If you fail the test, she sees you as weak, and you dont get her to bed with you. If you pass a test like this and they still reject you, then you dont want them anyway because that means they were just looking for some guys to buy them stuff..

[Brundlefly]

For women, there are two types of guys: lovers and providers.
They want to bang the lovers and marry the providers. All guys have to play the role of the lover for some length of time just to get the relationship off the ground. The lover is the one who knows how to attract women. Once you've got her attracted and have dated her several times, if your goal is a long-term relationship, you can subtly demonstrate your provider skills and see if she responds favorably. If she does, then purpose of the relationship becomes "Lets find out if we want to get married". If she resonds unfavorably, i.e., begins to show disrespect, then you know she is just looking for a lover - someone who is fun and entertaining and likes to have sex without strings attached. To continue with her at that point, you must correct her disrespectful behavior and play the lover full-time..

[MikeH]

If you ignore the "providers" part of that as old fashioned and sexist the same is true of men.

We have girls we just want to sleep with and girls we want to settle down with.


To the original question - I voted 50/50 but only 'cause there wasn't a "it depends on the situation, who asked who out, and various other variables" answer.

[MarkG]

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[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by JohnT

Please, oh master, tell us your dating secrets!!

Well ok, since you are such a good friend, here is Shi Huangdi' guarenteed pimping guide:

1. Remember when preparing for your date, that women are very turned off by desperation. If you prepare too much in terms of grooming, you will give the impression that you are over eager. In fact, just forget about basic hygiene altogether: this shows you are so in confident in yourself that you feel you don't need to prepare to suceed.

2. Women like a guy who is intelligent. Show that you are intelligent by talking to her in depth about your ideology when it comes to politics/religion.

3. Deep down, women are the submissive sex and like to be dominated. You can satisfy this subconscious desire by intellectualy dominating her: Probe her in depth about her political and religious beliefs, and begin attacking them as illogical. Extra points if you can show her as contradicting herself.

4. It's important to establish yourself as dominant physically as well. Modern technology gives you a way to appear an agressive alpha male without risking yourself: use your cell phone. At some point during the date, say you need to make a call, and call your voice mailbox. Pretend you are on the phone with someone, and loudly argue with "him" and promise to severely beat him. This is good because it will show you will be willing to use force to protect her.

5. You need to show you know more then just about heavy intellectual topics, but have opinions about less heavy topics as well, such as fashion- so that she knows she can make light conversation as well. Read up on women's fashion beforehand, and then use your knowledge to ruthlessly criticize how she has dressed. She will be very impressed to have found a guy she can talk fashion with.

6. Women are of a compassionate nature. You can use this to your advantage by discussing your problems with her, thus eaning her sympathy and winning you points. Extra points for talking about past relationship troubles: talking about past GFs lets her know you are an experienced man.

7. When the date is ending, it is best to just be direct and ask her straight out for sex. Remember women are rational too, and at this point she either will want you or you won't, so just ask straight out.

Good Luck!

[Shi Huangdi]

Seriously though, I don't claim to be an expert by any means, but I do have plenty of friends who managed to be sucsessful dating without paying for the woman. Maybe culturally things are just more liberal in the North?

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Shi no offense to your knowledge on dating, but had I been dating said guy in your examples he would have been left sitting at a table in a resturant if the topics of polotics and relegion popped up first of all, and then to be challenged on my stance not to mention having my belifs said to be illogical well lets just say umm yeah hed be sitting there having a conversation with himself or with some flaky chick he might manage to pick up after i leave.

[Shi Huangdi]

(that wasn't a serious guide, was just a lame attempt at humor)

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
(that wasn't a serious guide, was just a lame attempt at humor)

Wasnt that lame im still laughing my ass off. Good guide to get said guy slapped or walked out on though

[JohnT]

Actually, the response was to Mark. But still - good one, Shi!

I especially like point 2 - As a matter of fact, the entire thing could be called "The OTF's Dating Guide: Field-Tested Methods to Avoid that Oh-So-Irritating Second Date."

[Solly]

I generally wouldn't go for an expensive date anyway first off. £20 max and I'll assume I'm paying.

I'll see what she's like from the first two or three dates and if I don't like what I see with regards reciprocity, it's bye bye.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Maybe culturally things are just more liberal in the North?

Well, in the South we approach it like this...

All my friends have to ask me
Something they didn't understand
How I get all the women
In the palm of my hand
I told them

Treat her like a lady
Do the best you can do
You gotta treat her like a lady
And she'll give in to you
Lord, you can see you know what I mean

I know you love her like a woman
Soon take advantage of you
Let me tell you, my friend
That just ain't no substitute
You oughta

Oh, you got to love her
And tease her
But most of all you got to please her
You got to hold her
And want her
And make her feel you'll always need her

You know a woman
Is sentimental
And so easy to upset
So make her feel
That she's for real, yeah
And she'll give you happiness
Strange as it seems
You know you can't treat a woman mean

So my friend, there you have it
I said it's the easy, simple way
If you fail to do this
Don't blame her if she looks my way
'Cause I'm gonna

Treat her like a lady
So affectionately
I'm gonna treat her like a lady
And she'll give in to me
Lord, you can see
I know what I mean

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
That's a niave position. Equality exists in the workplace. In the bedroom women have us by the balls. Hence a little sweetening of the offer in the form of dinner payola ultimately is required to grease the wheels or other body parts.

Life's a series of negotiations.

Pah... if the woman insists I pay all the time (rather than 50/50 or you-pay-I-pay), then its bye bye... I'd rather utilize the internet's bounty of porn than become a glorified sugar daddy .

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well ok, since you are such a good friend, here is Shi Huangdi' guarenteed pimping guide:

[Az]

Thanks imran for pointing this one out.