"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents"

[Carolus Rex]

Another link about the police expressing regret that an innocent man was killed...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1534779,00.html

Carolus

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG
ok, we solved that

now why is scotland yard SATISFIED that they killed an INNOCENT arab?

He's not innocent. Running from the police when they ask you to stop is, of course, not legal.

Further, you should read the story more carefully...he's not connected with the previous incidents. Is anyone not connected with the previous incidents automatically innocent of crimes?

[Edan]

Originally posted by General Ludd


That would be a justifiable precaution... if the man was actually involved in the bombings in some way. But apparently he was completely unconnected. The police would need to of had a reason to believe he had explosives on him, but apparently no such reason exists - either they where incompetant in their investigation, or reckless in their pursuit.

How do you know that there existed no reason for the police to believe that he had explosives?

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Asher


So you really do think that they tackled the guy then stripsearched him well before he would have an opportunity to detonate any explosives he would have on him? That's an interesting theory.

Who knows. Just out of interest, do you think there was any way that this guy could have gotten away without being executed after his initial mistake (Giving the police some lip, it would seem)? If he had laid down, hands behind his head after running a few yards, would the police still have been right to kill him?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Another link about the police expressing regret that an innocent man was killed...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1534779,00.html

Carolus

"The man emerged from a block of flats in the Stockwell area that were under police surveillance as part of the investigation into the incidents on Thursday July 21.

"He was then followed by surveillance officers to the underground station. His clothing and behaviour added to their suspicions."

Seems to me that they had ample suspicion to believe the man had explosives.

Given the very recent incidents and a man who appeared to go out of his way to look like a bomber, why is it a surprise that he was taken as a bomber? It doesn't matter at all if he wasn't in the end, all he had to do was make it look like he was a bomber.

It's like a guy who pulls a fake gun on a cop and then whines when the cop shoots him. The '**** deserves it.

[Dauphin]

How does Asian = Arab?

[Thorgal]

But apart of killing people not connected to terrorism has british police done something useful yet after 2+ weeks? I mean how many real terrorist have been detainned?

[Dauphin]

I doubt they would advertise that information.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Verto
Is this a joke, or a misunderstanding?

"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents" = "We are now fully convinced that he was not connected with the incidents". It has nothing to do with them being happy about it.

1) scotland yard should use plain english when releasing statements that are going to be read around the world
i havent read or used this expression since i was learning english 15 years ago

2) i'm 100% sure they meant it both ways

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by MarkG
1) scotland yard should use plain english when releasing statements that are going to be read around the world
i havent read or used this expression since i was learning english 15 years ago

But then you aren't English:
sat·is·fied
adj
iii) Convinced beyond a doubt.


Its commonly used to mean exactly that.

[Asher]

Three officers had followed him to Stockwell station after he emerged from a nearby house that police believed to be connected with Thursday’s attempted bombings.

The suspect, described as being of Asian appearance and wearing a thick, bulky jacket, vaulted over a ticket barrier when challenged by police and ran down the escalator and along the platform of the Northern Line.

When the armed officers reached the platform with their guns drawn, they shouted at everyone to get down. As waiting passengers and those already on a train that had pulled into the station dived to the floor, the suspect jumped on the train. Two witnesses said that as he entered the train he tripped, ending up half in and half out of the carriage, on all fours. Within seconds, as the clock tower outside the station chimed 10am, the officers caught up with the man and pushed him hard to the floor. Witnesses said that they then fired up to five bullets into him at close range, killing him instantly.

...

Alerted by the bulk of his jacket, police had followed the suspect on foot for some time and became concerned when he approached the Tube station.

After the officers were ordered to stop him from entering the station at all costs, they challenged him before he crossed the main road to the station.

When they drew their weapons and shouted “Stop, armed police”, the man looked over his shoulder and bolted. He was described as being very fit and agile.

Why would an innocent man behave like he did, given what happened just the day before?

The answer is, while he didn't have a bomb:

Police are describing him as an “intimate accomplice of the cell”. His name and address were thought to have been found among the possessions left by the would-be bombers on Thursday.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Asher
He's not innocent. Running from the police when they ask you to stop is, of course, not legal.

punishable with the death penalty these days.....

[Dauphin]

No, because the last time the police accidentally shot a bloke dead that they thought was a threat the officers in question got arrested for manslaughter.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Dauphin
But then you aren't English:

you revealed the shocking truth!?!

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Gibsie


I'm not entirely sure my initial claim that Israel has taken down suicide bombers without killing them is correct... but I'm sure if they seriously thought that a suspected suicide bomber could somehow still set off a bomb with three guys sitting on them, then they'd kill him in an instant. There may not be hundreds of people nearby in the situation we're hypothesising about, but I'm sure Israeli security officers value their own lives above a suicide bomber's.

It is true that the Israelis has captured some suicide bombers, but unless I'm totally wrong, they have all been captured at checkpoints where a detonation of the bomb wouldn't have killed others.

One thing is to have three or more police persons pinning a suspect down - that usuaaally do the work, but if the person is suspected to be a suicidal maniac, the only secure thing is to kill the person. Might seem to be a brutal choice, but there are so many ways to trigger a bomb that even if a person is pinned down, he still may be able to trigger it.

The person that got killed asked for it - if he had stood still and talked with the police when they approached him, he would be alive today.