Bustin' on the Jesus Freaks...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


You evil theiving bastard! I can't wait to see Lucus come and sue your shul you evil bastard. How dare you promote something as filthy as religion - any religion. You and your kind should be stamped out.

I hope benevolent multi-national corporations can save us from the horror that is spiritual faith.

Judaism - working the good side of the Force for 3000 years

[Fake Boris]

Wow you dwelve into names like an intellectual.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by JohnT


1. You are not me. My motivations are my own, regardless of what you might interpret from the OP. I didn't mention my daughter in the OP because of the particular audience I'm speaking to - if I were at the SDMB, for example, the OP would likely be different as the audience composition is different. (More adults with children at the SDMB is one obvious example.)

2. To answer your question, no, it would not. Sophie recognizes and is attracted to "The Incredibles." People using that specific imagery to attract children to their pet causes know exactly what they're doing - else why not come up with their own cartoons?

3. That should read "a familiar, stolen, brand."

Please note that we named the child "Sophia", which means "wisdom" in the original Greek. This wasn't done by mistake - we wanted a common first name, not Christian, that meant something that was important to us. If we wanted to help her be susceptable to supernatural bull****, we would've called her "Mysticia" or something.

We didn't fully escape the Christian heritage in her middle name, "Caroline", which to many people refers to carols. However, we found references to old-English definitions of "Caroline" as "joyful song", which to us was perfect: Wisdom, joy, and music is the foundation of our childs name, not gullibility, backwardness, and mysticism.

I dont want my child to be drawn to christian fundamentalism either, John. Ive done my best to give her a good foundation in both Judaism AND rational thinking (which i dont consider incompatible) Whatever it is you positively believe in, give it your child - you cant, i repeat cant, keep her from temptation by driving it away. So they dont use IP, so what? They can and will, use lots of stuff thats a lot more tempting - the promise of belonging, a warm loving community, rules to live by, etc. If you want to preempt that, than find those things elsewhere.

and even then, even if you do the most a parent can do, there are no guarantees. Your daughter could end up a communist, a Pentecostal, an anarchist, a Hindu, or even a Reform Jew. You do your best in soul shaping, but at some point, as Omar Khayyam says, you release the bow, and let the arrow fly, and you accept that you cant control where it hits.

Youre at a stage where your child is AWARE, and starting to become susceptible to certain things. ANd that naturally triggers anxieties. Which i think you are taking out on this IP violation, which certainly isnt the real issue (Stealing, havent we been told at length that an IP violation isnt stealing? What if it WAS mickey mouse, which most of us agree SHOULD be public domain by now?) 1. Keep it in perspective - there are some of us who are an even smaller minority than you secularists, and we've have such fears in multiple directions, but we manage 2. You live in Tennessee dont you? I mean i know the right to live anywhere is prized and all that, but theres a certain level of reasonable expectations. I choose to live in a place with a large Jewish community (and a large RATIONALIST jewish community, i might add) If you want your kid to be a secularist, you might consider moving somewhere where there is a more supportive community for that. I mean growing up in Tennessee this is gonna be inevitable, I think.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I've never really liked Chili's™ all that much, but it beats Applebee's™ by a wide margin. Still, BW3's™ is much better than either.

Nice to know about the &trade bit, didn't know how to do that.

ACK!

[Jonny]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
If you want your kid to be a secularist, you might consider moving somewhere where there is a more supportive community for that. I mean growing up in Tennessee this is gonna be inevitable, I think.

Perhaps a bit more difficult to avoid, but by no means inevitable. Particularly in the more urban areas. While Christianity in the south has perhaps been a more driving force in society than it has in other places of the nation, it is not the all-powerful, overbearing social aspect that some people believe it to be, and perhaps also weaker than it once was.

I've lived here my entire life, and I feel that I've grown up to be pretty darned secular. Then again, maybe things are more different in the eastern parts than I believe them to be...

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by JohnT


Not to be rude or anything, but you're wrong. Remember this is the company that had Pat Robertson frothing at the mouth, literally stating that natural disasters will hit Orlando because Disney wouldn't forbid Gay Day at Disneyworld. You can see his actual pronouncement here.

Also, as mentioned above, Disney provides health, etc. benefits to same-sex partners.

Big deal.

The hospital that I work for allows it also. Here's the big shock for ya, it's run by a religion.

ACK!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
You can't take credit for Imran. He was slated for the ACLU since the beginning.

Yeah, get another notch for your belt!

Oh, and JohnT (again)

[BeBMan]

"JohnT - the ONLY superhero"

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by JohnT

We didn't fully escape the Christian heritage in her middle name, "Caroline", which to many people refers to carols. However, we found references to old-English definitions of "Caroline" as "joyful song", which to us was perfect: Wisdom, joy, and music is the foundation of our childs name, not gullibility, backwardness, and mysticism.

Um? Surely, Caroline is a derivative of Germanic karl "free man"?

Edit: A quick check confirms that that is the case.

[DinoDoc]

I must say JohnT's rantings about his daughter and his desire to escape the Christian heritage make me wonder why he is living in the Bible Belt of all places.

[lord of the mark]

For POTM


"May God bless and keep you always,
May your wishes all come true,
May you always do for others
And let others do for you.
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May you grow up to be righteous,
May you grow up to be true,
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you.
May you always be courageous,
Stand upright and be strong,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy,
May your feet always be swift,
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift.
May your heart always be joyful,
May your song always be sung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young."

[Kuciwalker]

Job?

xpost

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Job?

Dylan. AKA Zimmerman. With allusions to shabbat blessings.

Oh. cross post.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

Um? Surely, Caroline is a derivative of Germanic karl "free man"?

Edit: A quick check confirms that that is the case.

It is. Like I said, we had to make some allowances.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I must say JohnT's rantings about his daughter and his desire to escape the Christian heritage make me wonder why he is living in the Bible Belt of all places.

I like the weather. And the people are friendly, regardless of their more irrational moments.