Raves + Drugs + the Law in the USA

[BlackCat]

Beethovens fifth, Ravels Bolero ? Trying to imagine the police make a bust at such parties

[Pekka]

Moral, oh we have an expert. It's not 99.9% of peoples fault you've been into raves that had excessive drug usage. Maybe you've been into the wrong type of parties. Or maybe it's just the parties near you. Sure, there's not likely such thing as drug free electronic music gathering, but same goes for rock music, and every other genre and party.

To say raves are really drug parties is unbelievably stupid thing to say. STUPID. Like I've said, not all 'raves' are what I described above, with stupid teens sucking each others nipples and doing speed.

"The problem deals with the fact that organizers know that they are facilitating illegal activity but that they know the whole purpose of the rave is to promote drug use is impossiblie to prove."

seems like your neighbourhood had some parties then. Does NOT apply to parties everywhere else. Certainly not in here. You would get your balls hacked off saying that kind of crap and posing as an expert. And you would have deserved it. NO KIDS FOR YOU MISTER!

[Moral Hazard]

dP

[Moral Hazard]

Admittedly I went for drugs (this was several years ago). Rave parties in my area (central east coast US) actually took steps against drug use in the US. You know what happened? They failed to draw enough people.

P.S. Have you ever known a promoter? They're businessman if it don't turn a good profit, it aint worth while.

[Nostromo]

I don't see how you can go in a rave and not take anything. If you plan to stay up and dance from 3AM to 9AM, you need to indulge in some recreative chemistry. Its like going in a bar and not drinking.

[asleepathewheel]

Who goes to raves and doesn't get drugs? Isn't that the point? I can't imagine listening to that crap for hours while stone cold sober.

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by dv8ed

I thought it was because electronic music sucked.

No its because mother****ing Hip hop has basically taken over North America.

[Pekka]

So? What you say is still not a fact. In fact it's irresponsible thing to say. Also, I already said what Rave party I'm not even talking about. That's the one I feel strongly you are describing. However, those are not even in fashion in here, have not been a long long long time if ever, the whole rave kiddie wtf ever thing. Mostly US phenomenon. Europe has quite extensive electronic music scene in all respects. Sure, lots and lots of drugs are being used, especially amphetamine and extacy, but still, it's not the scene as the 'rave' party thing you are describing that have existed, sure.. but those are nto the real parties anyway .

That kind of BS law will limit all the good promoters etc, that still are the majority who actually throw parties. You know, with big DJs etc. Where people come for the MUSIC. And some folks also come for the music plus drugs combo. But the number of people coming ONLY for drugs is big minority. THey won't pay 20 euros in to buy extacy, when they can do that outside the venue. Also lots of the UG scene in the early and mid 90s at least in here had open drug usage, but the attitude was definitely more against then for. Since the parties would get busted mostly because of that. So, a 'clean' party is better in many ways for everyone anyway. Thus there was strong anti-drug attitude in many original and regular people in the scene. Because no one wanted a teenager coming in, popping some E's, overdosing obviously, or just acting like a stupid teen on E. Also, raiding a party is damn anti-climatic. When good music is pumping and you've been dancing for few hours straight, you really don't want someone to come and stare your pupils and try to ask you questions. Ruins the whole evening for many people, and many who actually are SOBER. Thus, the *******s are not wanted, because they ruin the party for everyone else.

Just saying, because raves are usually associated with ALL parties that has 'electronic' music, aka not Robin Williams. It's just not true, not true at all.

[Pekka]

Moral, as a matter a fact I know several past promoters. SUre, not promoters of a BIG party, but smaller ones. They were mostly non-profit. But then again, those were the real parties. If you think all promoters in teh world want drugs to be used in their venues so that more people come in, you are sadly lost. Or just typical murrican .

[Pekka]

What's the point of going to Eric Clapton concert if not to get high on heroine? YOu can't possibly listen to that for two hours straight?

And yeah you can dance for hours sober. And it's a direct insult if some jackass now starts claiming I was using chemicals. It's a big insult.

[Moral Hazard]

Pekka: You write too much; most of what your saying is redundant and doesn't make sense. It's a little hard to follow.

I put a disclaimer in my original post saying I was talking about the US, which is what the OP is about.

[Berzerker]

The police raids such partys sometimes and arrests the Dealers + some Consumers. Well thats logical of course..

Whats logical about it?

They go after the people throwing the parties to make it too risky to even throw them, raves are on the way out once people are punished for having them. Its similar to the trend of punishing bartenders and bar owners because someone gets drunk and kills someone on the way home. If the trend continues bars will become too risky to operate, its all part of the "who else can we blame for this" mentality of hypocrites who never blame themselves for the negative consequences of their policies.

[Pekka]

Too hard to follow?

How can you even speak for the whole US? OK let's talk about with more variety. What about parties with house music? NO, not Britney Spears, but chicago house, the REAL house music? It's a Rave according to most commoners. You don't see speed freaks in there. Etc etc etc..

Just ridicolous. Rave parties are drug parties. Role playing is satanism. Elvis promotes sex with his hip movements, rotting the minds of young people. Talking about redundancy, uh?

I'm not even going to talk about this anymore. This is outraging anyway. You people think what you want to think. I don't have credentials ot show for you, but I've been into electronic music and partying since I was 12. Well, the partying since I was 15. I've gone to different countries only for the party. Including Germany, Estonia and Spain,exclusively for a party. I've gone to several parties in many other countries. I've gone through few genres, so the variety of parties is also been done. I have many (5) DJ friends. All but very few still frequent at parties from ALL of my friends. None of them use E, speed or any other drug, except occasional pot smoking, outside parties. Years of experience also outside my own country gives me some kind of backround and actual knowledge about the whole situation, and I can say with confidence that there is drug usage at parties, but it's not what you described. Like I said, it's the nipple sucking parties with 600 beats per minute big pants teenage parties that are what you described. Which are the minority. And mostly done in the US. But US has also ltos of other parties. Like DEMF (this year it was called fuse-in), one big ass party that has thousands and thousands people attending, and is not the 'rave party'.

I'm done with this.

ps. people who play RPGs are satanists. Gays are also pedophiles. FACT!

[Moral Hazard]

I hoped for a coherent response. I guess that was too much to ask?

I stated that most people in the mid/late 90's (when raves hit their peak in my neighborhood) were focused on drug use. You retort with roleplaying is satanism? I can't follow. If someone else can follow please reply. I think that your trying to back up your weak argument with weaker analogy perhaps Im wrong. Im no expert.

Like I said, it's the nipple sucking parties with 600 beats per minute big pants teenage parties that are what you described. Which are the minority. And mostly done in the US. But US has also ltos of other parties

I don't believe that the nipple sucking parties were in the minorty but in the majority. This is from personal opinion, true. But every Merican I've talked to agrees with me. It was all about the drugs.

[Az]

Originally posted by nostromo


No its because mother****ing Hip hop has basically taken over North America.

To be painfully honest, Hip Hop is electronic music, too.



Seriously, though, I can't believe any of you people support this. Large venues full of young people that have drug usage? SCANDAL, NEWS AT 10. In that case, I say we ban rock concerts, and oooh, I know, LAN parties.