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    Raves + Drugs + the Law in the USA

    The following is what I heard on a German Forum... Now I want to know if this is actually true...

    So everyone knows about Rave Partys, and everyone knows its kinda common to consum drugs on those partys (mdma, amph, ...). The police raids such partys sometimes and arrests the Dealers + some Consumers. Well thats logical of course.. now comes the strange part:
    1. The Organizers of those partys can be charged to, if some people used drugs on their party, even if their is no evidence they sold drugs, or promoted the use of drugs or even used them themselves...
    2. People attending partys with witespread drug use, can be arrested and charged too, even if they didnt take any drugs themselves...

    So which of those 2 if any is true?
    If its no fun why do it? Dance like noone is watching...
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    Are you thinking of holding a Rave here?
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    • #3
      I've never heard about the second one but the first one has been notified like few years ago, that the organisator has responsibilities to such magnitude that they can be held partially responsible if soemone is doing drugs.

      And hell no it doesn't make any sense.
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      • #4
        Well the context of the second was:

        The Police raids some party, but the light was off for about 1minute bevor the police managed to get them on. Of course everyone who had any drugs threw them on the floor in this one minute...
        So there were a couple hundred ppl. standing on a lot of drugs...
        The Police had no evidence to any of the attending persons individually that they possesed drugs, but could asume that at least every 2. one had some on him bevor the raid since their were so many drugs on the floor..

        So all were charged with possesion of drugs (even those that didnt take any)...
        If its no fun why do it? Dance like noone is watching...

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        • #5
          Second one sounds like Urban Legend... even more so now.
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          • #6
            from http://www.emdef.org/

            Nov 2003
            'Ecstasy Awareness Act' Targets Electronic Dance Music Not Drugs (H.R. 2962)
            This bill would make it a felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison and $2,000,000 in fines for "whoever profits monetarily from a rave or similar electronic dance event, knowing or having reason to know that the unlawful use or distribution of a controlled substance occurs at the rave or similar event".
            This is ****ing insane. No wonder electronic music can't take off seriously in the USA.
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            • #7
              Yes, everything you hear is true. They also arrest the parents, the grandparents and the neighbours of the persons who were arrested.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Az
                from http://www.emdef.org/



                This is ****ing insane. No wonder electronic music can't take off seriously in the USA.
                Didn't they have a similarly insane law in the UK for a while, a law banning rythmic music? I don't remember the details.

                edit: it was a law against repetitive beats:

                The Criminal Justice Bill of 1994 was a government attempt to ban large events featuring music with "repetitive beats". There were a number of abortive "Kill the Bill" demonstrations. Although the bill did become law in November 1994, it had little effect.
                Last edited by Nostromo; July 2, 2005, 18:03.
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                • #9
                  Exactly. Plus there's always the 'electronic music - drugs' connection that is supposed to be like automatic. Take it from me, I do not use drugs but I still go to parties. Not what murricans would consider raves per se, since that means (to most) a party where stupid music is played (like 23094 bpm heart attack stuff), everyone under 20 and on drugs, sucking each others nipples in dark sweaty bathroom lines, wearing huge pants and toys and all that crap. I'm definitely not part of that scene. It would result me vs everyone and they would die.

                  However yeah.. I mean talk about any electronic music and party and commoners will think well they are doing drugs there, most of them at least. So, it's ALWAYS 'having a reason to know' for organisator. And we all know that's not about drugs anymore, but targeting certain genre parties and killing them out.

                  Which is pure BS.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Az
                    No wonder electronic music can't take off seriously in the USA.
                    I thought it was because electronic music sucked.
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                    • #11
                      no, only you suck.

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                      • #12
                        @ OP and thread
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nostromo


                          Didn't they have a similarly insane law in the UK for a while, a law banning rythmic music? I don't remember the details.

                          edit: it was a law against repetitive beats:
                          No it wasn't (most beats are repetitive BTW), it was a law against unlicensed gatherings that played music with repetitve beats. Big difference.

                          The law was against the raves not the beats (although I suspect you knew this and only copied the parts of the bill that suited you)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by reds4ever

                            No it wasn't (most beats are repetitive BTW), it was a law against unlicensed gatherings that played music with repetitve beats. Big difference.
                            Yes, that's what I meant. I wrote it too fast.
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                            • #15
                              As someone who has been to several raves. Let me say that raves are really drug parties. I think they generally dissapeared prior to the laws targeted against them, given the US's trendy nature. (I can't say anything about other countries because of lack of knowledge)

                              Something should have been done to diminish Raves. The problem deals with the fact that organizers know that they are facilitating illegal activity but that they know the whole purpose of the rave is to promote drug use is impossiblie to prove. So the the laws change.

                              P.S. I love tricky but most electronica music is missing an essentual element
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