Amazing IE7 + RSS Photos

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Asher
To be honest I'm having a hard time seeing what is lifted straight from Firefox in the image Mark posted...

The entire browser format ( like the search bar ) , and the simplicity of the UI ?

[Asher]

Originally posted by aneeshm
The entire browser format ( like the search bar ) , and the simplicity of the UI ?

File menu at the bottom of the toolbar at the top, with icons next to it? Nothing like Firefox.

The only thing that looks similar to me is putting the search box in the top right corner.

If it works so well, why not use it?

Next you're going to be griping about having the back button on the far left of the toolbar.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by aneeshm


The entire browser format ( like the search bar ) , and the simplicity of the UI ?

Don't waste your time aneeshm. Even if Microsoft put "Stolen from Firefox" in the menu bar, he'd still deny it.

[Asher]

The irony here, of course, is Safari also has the search field in the top right and no one is complaining about that.

In fact, the person who posted the screenshot of Safari's "Firefox ripoff" interface is here vilifying MS.

[Whaleboy]

I'm talking about both. If I read the IE7 developers blogs correctly only a couple of CSS issues will be taken on. Designers still will have the same two options: charging the client (who will undoubtly get his money back by charging his customers ie you and me) extra money to make the site work in IE as it is supposed to, or building sites like we did in 1997.

Well I haven't read those blogs so I can't possibly comment on them. It seems to me however that if sites are developed so that they will run on most machines, then those are the "standards" so to speak. They may not be consistent but that's a problem for developers not users, and as a user I can't say that IE has costed me any money .

IE 5 (or 6, for that matter) for Windows has extremely poor standard CSS and HTML support, while IE5 for the Mac has way, way better support.

Doesn't that make you wonder?

About IE7? No not really .

I for one don't think you can prejudge IE7 (which none of us have used) by IE6!

As for the "who invented what" question, who really gives a ****? I mean sure if I were a religious Firefox developer and I put a concept into the public domain that another company decided they like and they'd use, I'd either feel hard-done-by or complimented. If the difference there is which company uses that concept, then your opposition is political and not technical, and a prejudiced decision is always inferior to an objective one.

[Atahualpa]

I think it's a good thing when products adopt popular and good UI practices and unless you want patents on UI interfaces everyone should keep their mouth shut about who "stole" from whom.
In the end, the only ones who are profiting are we, the customers, anyway.

[Hueij]

They may not be consistent but that's a problem for developers not users, and as a user I can't say that IE has costed me any money .

Than I hope for your sake that your eye sight won't get worse as you grow older or that you will get depended on keystrokes instead of using a mouse. Standards are not for the benefit of developers but for assuring accesible sites for everyone.

[Whaleboy]

Than I hope for your sake that your eye sight won't get worse as you grow older or that you will get depended on keystrokes instead of using a mouse. Standards are not for the benefit of developers but for assuring accesible sites for everyone.

Which has exactly what relevance for IE7? You're working on the assumption that IE7 will make the web essentially unviewable!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Hueij
Standards are not for the benefit of developers but for assuring accesible sites for everyone.

Most ridiculous statement I've heard in a while.

Standards were made by web developers to make web development easier.

Accessibility is independent of Standards. You can have a non-standards compliant accessible website...

[Hueij]

Sure... Glad I'm not Agathon...

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Whaleboy


Which has exactly what relevance for IE7? You're working on the assumption that IE7 will make the web essentially unviewable!

As far as I know IE7 won't be that different from IE6 and because most sites are developed with IE6 in mind that means that the web IS unusable for blind or sight impaired people. Ever used a screenreader with a site that was built in tables?

Ever tried browsing the web with only keystrokes? Should be easy with just standard build sites and a decent browser. With IE OTOH...

Just do a Google search on "website accesibility".

[Whaleboy]

As far as I know IE7 won't be that different from IE6

That is the entire crux and premise of your argument but can you provide any links?

[Hueij]

The last we heard from the IE7 development team was in April: https://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/20...22/410963.aspx

Disregarding IE's famous security "features" it's about PNG Alpha channels and some float bugs, that's all.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by aneeshm
You don't give a damn about morality ? You wouldn't care if the place you worked for paid you with stolen money , and you knew it was stolen ?

I don't see how morality comes into it. The point of Microsoft, as far as I'm concerned, is to make software that does what I want it to.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Agathon


Don't waste your time aneeshm. Even if Microsoft put "Stolen from Firefox" in the menu bar, he'd still deny it.

Nope , if they said put that sign there , he'd say that it was justified .

I'm more concerned with MS gaining unearned credit - as said before , I had to correct my dad yesterday when he said that MS developed and produced RSS .