Durban, patriot or traitor?

[ziggy7483]

Haha, funny when people try to fit in "US are NAZI" and "I support the troops" together. I don't quite see how they fit, but then again, I'm just one of those Nazi Stalinist Khmer Rouge types.

Dick Durban isn't the only one to do Nazi Nazi, how many GWB = Hitler signs have we seen out there? Everyone wants the US to be guilty as sin, so it is. There is no debate about it, because no matter what is going on, folks want to bend it either way for an agenda.

The worst stuff in Gitmo that I have heard about is beatings. Now, beatings count as torture in my book, but they aren't very creative compared to the Nazi's, and more than half of America has probably grown up under "torture" conditions forced on them by their father.

Other "torture" at Gitmo? Loud music, sleep deprivation, stress positions, being chained to a floor.

Does anyone read the accounts of prisoners destroying their own Korans? or whacking off at the female guards?

[GePap]

Ah, utterly manufactured "controversies" , don;t you just want to go around bashing in the heads of anyone who cares?

I hate "Controversy Lite"TM ****.

Durbin should heap scorn and contempt on his detractors.

[Pekka]

ziggy the DL, did you get more reasonable about torture too, or don't you realize that is exactly torture what you just described. Just because it isn't like braveheart doesn't make it any less, in fact it is way more sophisticated. Some people just never get the clue.

[DRoseDARs]

[Dinner]

He said something like torture is something which would occur in a Nazi prison and not an American one. On that count he is correct.

[Whoha]

Lets not be so quick to doubt Durbin here, we are forcing them to listen to Christina Aguilera.

[Ned]

Durbin is no ordinary Senator. He is second in command in the Democrat wing.* Therefor, when he speaks, he speaks for the party as well as for himself, just like Dean.

It looks like the Dems have a host of leaders with little restraint in their language.

* "Senator Dick Durbin was elected by his fellow Democratic Senators in December 2004 to the Senate's second highest ranking Democratic leadership post. Durbin's election as Assistant Minority Leader, also known as Democratic Whip, will mark only the fifth time in history that an Illinois senator has served as a Senate leader." http://durbin.senate.gov/aboutrjd.htm

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So now Ned says a Senator is a traitor because he said the US shouldn't ever be associated with torture? Right wingers really live in a fantasy world.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oerdin
So now Ned says a Senator is a traitor because he said the US shouldn't ever be associated with torture? Right wingers really live in a fantasy world.

That's not how I voted, Oerdin.

[Ned]

He has apologized, in a way. I wonder if this is enough, though.

"DURBIN STATEMENT ON PREVIOUS COMMENTS REGARDING GUANTANAMO BAY


Friday, June 17, 2005

“More than 1700 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and our country’s standing in the world community has been badly damaged by the prison abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. My statement in the Senate was critical of the policies of this Administration which add to the risk our soldiers face.”

“I will continue to speak out when I disagree with this Administration.”

“I have learned from my statement that historical parallels can be misused and misunderstood. I sincerely regret if what I said caused anyone to misunderstand my true feelings: our soldiers around the world and their families at home deserve our respect, admiration and total support.”

http://durbin.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=239099

[Dinner]

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[Boris Godunov]

Durbin's comments in full:

When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here [at Guantanamo Bay]--I almost hesitate to put them in the [Congressional] Record, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:

"On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold. . . . On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.

So, no, he wasn't saying anyone was Nazis. He said that the sight of the prisoner as described by and FBI agent wouldn't be out of place in a Nazi camp or a Soviet gulag. And considering that the methods used here were used by those people, he's absolutely right.

And his overall point is the real meat: We, as Americans, should be absolutely appalled at this kind of treatment of prisoners, and shame on anyone who isn't.

[Dinner]

Ahh, hell. We already got the Nazi refrences going so why stop?

[ixnay]

Thank you Boris for posting the actual quote so people can see it instead of the crap right-wingers are spewing about it.

[Dinner]

bush has found the link!