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[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ned


What makes you think that socialized medicine where wages and prices are controlled attracts the best? The US has free medicine in terms of the providers. Free in terms of freedom from you f**king socialists.

That's not true either - our medical specialists charge whatever they like. We also have medical insurance which gives things like a private room and choice of doctor and hospital. You don't have to wait for ellective surgery. The public system is a safety net, there are private hospitals too. But most people got rid of their private insurance because the public system is free and good for the most part. I have private insurance because I have kids.

And it isn't socialism - we choose to have our taxes provide good hospitals and schools, you choose police and battleships and prisons.

[Hueij]

BlackCat, I once asked Ned if Spiro Agnew was to the left of him and he said yes. True...

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ned


Freedom means freedom from the government. One does not have freedom if one's wages are controlled by the government.

I can envision a system where everyone is provided health insurance without a government takeover of medicine. The problem is that most Europeans are socialists and cannot abide private enterprise in any form. So I hardly think that European medicine is first rate because I assume (but do not know for certain) that European medicine is "socialist" medicine.

Please define "socialist" medicine - my guess is that you have no idea what it means in western euroope.

[Alexander's Horse]

Living in the USA is like living in a Western country without any of the benefits.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Living in the USA is like living in a Western country without any of the benefits.

Unless if you are able to pay

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Living in the USA is like living in a Western country without any of the benefits.

Let's make that "living in a country without any of the benefits."

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Hueij
BlackCat, I once asked Ned if Spiro Agnew was to the left of him and he said yes. True...

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I gladly admit that I'm a rigth winger;free trade etc, but actually that has nothing to do with the society that Ned and acomplices want. My guess is that Ned is borne some couple of centuries too late since his view are more in line with a feudalistic society where the nobility has all the benefits and common people, well, they are expendable.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


That's not true either - our medical specialists charge whatever they like. We also have medical insurance which gives things like a private room and choice of doctor and hospital. You don't have to wait for ellective surgery. The public system is a safety net, there are private hospitals too. But most people got rid of their private insurance because the public system is free and good for the most part. I have private insurance because I have kids.

And it isn't socialism - we choose to have our taxes provide good hospitals and schools, you choose police and battleships and prisons.

Well it looks like the Aussie system is where we want to be in due course.

[Ned]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Please define "socialist" medicine - my guess is that you have no idea what it means in western euroope.

Socialist medicine is where the state hires the doctors, provides the clinics and hospitals and pays for the medicine.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Ned


Well it looks like the Aussie system is where we want to be in due course.

Not if it was up to people like you

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ned


Socialist medicine is where the state hires the doctors, provides the clinics and hospitals and pays for the medicine.

And what prevents the state to pay high salaries to the staff ?

[Ned]

Originally posted by BlackCat
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I gladly admit that I'm a rigth winger;free trade etc, but actually that has nothing to do with the society that Ned and acomplices want. My guess is that Ned is borne some couple of centuries too late since his view are more in line with a feudalistic society where the nobility has all the benefits and common people, well, they are expendable.

Not true at all. I am for freedom. I define right wing as libertarian and cannot abide legalized privilege in any form, which one certainly gets when there is rule by one party and that one party limits its membership. There is no substantial difference on this point between feudalism and communism.

[Ned]

Originally posted by BlackCat


And what prevents the state to pay high salaries to the staff ?

What is wrong with monopolies?

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Ned


Not true at all. I am for freedom. I define right wing as libertarian and cannot abide legalized privilege in any form, which one certainly gets when there is rule by one party and that one party limits its membership. There is no substantial difference on this point between feudalism and communism.

Who is talking about a one party system? Last time I checked here in The Netherlands we had about 16 parties taking part in the general elections. Our government is formed by three parties.

But I guess freedom is the choice between two identical parties

[Ned]

Originally posted by Hueij

Who is talking about a one party system? Last time I checked here in The Netherlands we had about 16 parties taking part in the general elections. Our government is formed by three parties.

But I guess freedom is the choice between two identical parties

H, I was responding the the cretin who suggested that being right wing (as I understand it) is being in favor of feudalism.