Xbox 360/Playstation 3/Revolution Thread (Part 2)

[Asher]

Continued from http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...hreadid=132028

Info on the PS3:

Sony confirms they're targeting a Spring 2006 launch date for the PS3, possible simultaneously launching in Japan (but not Europe). http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/0...ws_6126832.html

But most analysts are saying a Fall 2006 is most likely for the US, given that parts such as the PS3's graphics chip actually aren't even finished yet.

Also, looks like the PS3 will ship without a harddrive by default (like the PS2 did). This means that, unlike the Xbox/Xbox 360, devs cannot assume one exists and use it for things such as caching. :/


Info on the Xbox 360:

The Xbox 360 weighs 7.7 pounds (3.5 kg) and is:

309 mm wide x 83 mm high x 258 mm deep
(12.15 in wide x 3.27 in high x 10.15 in deep)

The Xbox (1) weighs 8.8 pounds (4 kg) and is:
320 x 100 x 260 mm
(12.5 x 4 x 10.5 inches)

The Xbox 360's volume is 6616.926 cm^3.
The Xbox's volume is approximately 8320 cm^3.

[Asher]

Xbox Live 360 images:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/621/621229p1.html

(click to view full resolution on first picture)







Also, a new official image w/ faceplate:

[Nostromo]

Some faceplates. I'll definitely get the pink baloon one

[Asher]

So, the PS3 won't have a harddrive standard...so no level caching.

It'll also come with a 1x HD-DVD drive (bluray), compared to the Xbox 360's 12x DVD-ROM.

1x blu-ray is 4.5 MB/s.
12x DVD-ROM is 16.2 MB/s.

The PS3 loading times look abysmal...

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Asher
So, the PS3 won't have a harddrive standard...so no level caching.

It'll also come with a 1x HD-DVD drive (bluray), compared to the Xbox 360's 12x DVD-ROM.

1x blu-ray is 4.5 MB/s.
12x DVD-ROM is 16.2 MB/s.

The PS3 loading times look abysmal...

They could always change their minds about the hd. Otoh, the damn thing will lose Sony a bundle even without the hd. I wondered about the Blu-Ray DVD's speed. Are you sure about 1x? That's pretty slow...

[Asher]

1x blu-ray is the current rumoured spec. It's possible to go to 2-3x (I think that's the current level of the technology?), but 1x alone is very expensive...

[Asher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

One single-layer Blu-ray Disc (BD) can hold about 25 GB or over two hours of HD video plus audio, and the dual-layer disc can hold approximately 50 GB. The data transfer rate is 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 72 Mbit/s transfer rate are now in development.

The 2x ones are still in development it seems.

So it's very likely PS3 will get 1x, if BluRay at all...

[laurentius]

So the 1x bluray data transfer rate isnt 4,5 mbps but 36?

[KrazyHorse]

read a little bit closer.

1 bit and one byte are not the same things.

[laurentius]

ah yes

[KrazyHorse]

In fact, strangely enough, 4.5 * 8 = 36

That's an odd coincidence...

[laurentius]

its all starting to add up now

[DanS]

Really, we're talking pretty ludicrous loading speeds anyway for a videogame on either DVD x 12 or Blu-Ray x 1. Only a couple seconds in either case.

[Asher]

Originally posted by DanS
Really, we're talking pretty ludicrous loading speeds anyway for a videogame on either DVD x 12 or Blu-Ray x 1. Only a couple seconds in either case.

A couple seconds?

It takes sometimes 20-30s to load some games with 64MB RAM on the Xbox with a 2x DVD-ROM.

The new systems have 512MB.

[DanS]

I don't know how the XBox does things, but you must admit that a game system could be constructed with Blu-Ray where you don't have to sit around for 20-30s.