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  • #16
    Not if it's got suitable compressed textures and whatnot.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #17
      The stuff could load into memory in the background while you access the menu, if they wanted to construct the system that way. I don't see a problem.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #18
        They could do all of this stuff on the PS2 as well (and the Xbox), but it doesn't happen.

        Why is that?
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #19
          Because they don't want to spend the time to figure it out and put it in software.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #20
            Stop being coy, Asher.

            Is there a reason you know of?
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
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            • #21
              Because it's a huge waste of memory bandwidth, which is used for actual computations...not loading.

              It's not a simple matter of transfering a chunk of, say, 64MB from the disc to the RAM...

              Also, as you may have noticed from using the PC, accessing the discs seems to stall the rest of the computer while it waits for data. This is no different on the game consoles -- the controller is integrated with the GPU usually.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #22
                I thought it might be something like that.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
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                • #23
                  You're FOS, Asher. It's coming out of your ears.

                  Because it's a huge waste of memory bandwidth, which is used for actual computations...not loading.
                  The amount of memory bandwidth required for loading and doing menu stuff is miniscule. Entirely not even worth the thought.

                  Also, as you may have noticed from using the PC, accessing the discs seems to stall the rest of the computer while it waits for data. This is no different on the game consoles -- the controller is integrated with the GPU usually.
                  Those problems arise from using a primitive I/O bus like the XBox did. Neither the 360 nor the PS/3 should have these considerations.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #24
                    So, the PS3 won't have a harddrive standard...so no level caching.
                    According to a gamespot article, Sony hasnt decided yet if it will ship the PS3 with a harddrive.

                    SCE's chief technical officer says company still pondering whether to ship its next-gen console with a detachable hard drive; 2006 launch still on track.
                    Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. -Homer

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by flash9286
                      According to a gamespot article, Sony hasnt decided yet if it will ship the PS3 with a harddrive.

                      http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06...s_6126832.html
                      It won't come with one.

                      Sony's PR machine says that, developers are being told not to assume a HD exists.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DanS
                        You're FOS, Asher. It's coming out of your ears.


                        The amount of memory bandwidth required for loading and doing menu stuff is miniscule. Entirely not even worth the thought.
                        You're clearly very up to speed with modern game engines, aren't you?

                        You do know that virtually nothing is stored uncompressed on the discs, right? How do they get decompressed? Do decompression algorithms take up additional memory? Do they take up CPU/GPU cycles?

                        When the levels are being loaded, they're also be initialized. When you have only 32MB/64MB of RAM, you can't be lazy and just store and load. If that was the case you could fill up the Xbox's memory @ 5MB/s = 13s max. This is assuming they're contiguous in memory and there's no seek delays... (PS2 is 2.5MB/s, but 32MB...so also 13s)

                        Those problems arise from using a primitive I/O bus like the XBox did. Neither the 360 nor the PS/3 should have these considerations.
                        What the hell do you base this on?

                        The Xbox's I/O bus was hypertransport, by the way. You call that primitive?
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #27
                          In any case, Dan...

                          1x Blu-Ray would take 114 seconds = nearly 2 minutes to fill 512MB of RAM, even if it was a simple memory block copy (which it's not).
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #28
                            Sony's PR machine says that, developers are being told not to assume a HD exists.
                            Maybe because they haven't decided yet?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kalius
                              Maybe because they haven't decided yet?
                              They won't decide that. Sony is skating on thin ice, their PS3 will cost a lot to make as they've outlined it.

                              It'll be Blu-Ray or HDD, not both.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #30
                                I'll be getting the Revolution, myself. I'm a Nintendo fanboy.
                                "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                                ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                                "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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