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  • #16
    Facts by themselves, are usually divorced from context, and thus become meaningless. Media always has bias. It's better to have all the biases covered, rather than having biased media pretending it isn't.

    In the U.S. we have media with two biases: far-right and center-right. The far-right likes to call the center-right liberal.

    For a liberal media try Air America and the Atlanta Constitution-Journal and salon.com

    For progressive media try:


    FAIR is the national progressive media watchdog group, challenging corporate media bias, spin and misinformation.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Pax

      Did I say we needed a liberal show or unbiased media?
      One you can have, the other you can't.

      Would you rather have complete right-wing bias domination of the radio in your area, or an alternative?
      "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
      ^ The Poly equivalent of:
      "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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      • #18
        I'd much rather have NPR than left-wing versions of Rush et al. like Air America. Left wing radio when it's reasonable and informative (and not infotainment), like Democracy Now is pretty good, though.
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
        -Bokonon

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        • #19
          Pacifica, theNationRadio, and CounterSpin are all better than DemocracyNow. CounterSpin rulez!
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #20
            Never heard 'em.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • #21
              FAIR is the national progressive media watchdog group, challenging corporate media bias, spin and misinformation.


              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #22
                Because the Media is so liberal

                The Return of Deep Throat
                Now he's a mainstream journalist, leaking stories to the alternative press

                Extra! March/April 2005

                By Dave Lindorff

                I remember the excitement I felt some years ago, working in Los Angeles at the L.A. Daily News or at TV station KCET, as I’d pursue a hot story—the corruption of a blatantly racist school board member, say, or the shooting of unarmed people by the LAPD. There was always the story itself, of course, but there was also the sense that if you didn’t get it in and get it right, you’d be beaten by the competition—usually the L.A. Times, in my case, or one of the local TV stations, which back in the 1970s still did a little investigative reporting of their own.

                Those days are pretty much gone. TV stations in most cities don’t do much enterprise reporting, preferring to go with whatever the police have on the blotter. And newspaper competition in most communities is a thing of the past.

                Ironically, though bad for the public, the loss of an aggressive media has been my gain as a freelance journalist.

                A tip about TIPS

                Over the past three years or so, most of my best investigative stories have come to me courtesy of a frustrated editor at a major metropolitan daily—a principled and well-informed guy who has tried repeatedly to interest the paper’s higher-ups in big stories, only to have them ignored. That’s when he calls me with his tips.

                The first time this happened was back in 2002, when my old friend sent an email with a link to a Justice Department website inviting American citizens to sign up as volunteer spies in Attorney General John Ashcroft’s “Operation TIPS.” “I think you should look into this,” my friend wrote.

                Ashcroft, I learned, hoped these volunteers would become an army of 20 million citizen-spies, keeping track of and reporting on their neighbors. I signed up as a volunteer, and began investigating the program from the inside. When I experimentally tried to call in some bogus reports on neighbors, I discovered that the Justice Department was having its TIPS volunteer spies turn their raw reports on suspicious neighbors over, not to the FBI, but to the Fox network’s crime-stopper show, America’s Most Wanted!

                It was a shocking exposé, which turned into a major story in Salon (8/7/02), the online magazine. CBS News (8/8/02) picked up my Salon piece and did a story based on an interview with me. People in Congress, particularly Republicans led by Rep. Dick Armey (R.-Texas), went ballistic and killed all funding for the program.

                A little later, my friend was back, this time with a tip that a couple of anti-war activists had been barred from getting on a plane after the check-in clerk told them they were on a “no-fly” list. “You should look into this,” he wrote again.

                I did—and found someone at the new Transportation Security Administration who admitted not only that there was a list of 1,000 or so people barred from planes as “threats to aviation,” but that there was another list, of undetermined length, of people who would be allowed to fly, but who would be harassed mercilessly each time they did so. As I looked further into this, it became apparent that the people on the second list were mostly peace activists—students, lawyers, nuns, etc.—not threats to aviation, just to administration war policy. The story, like the earlier one, ran in Salon (11/15/02) and also In These Times (11/27/02), after which it was picked up by the national and international media.

                My friend’s newspaper, which could have had both these scoops, lost out for lack of interest.

                Too-hot scoops

                Over the subsequent two years, my source has repeatedly tried and failed to sell his fellow editors on stories ranging from secret Pentagon efforts to resurrect the draft (Salon, 11/3/03) to the Secret Service’s efforts to bar protesters from presidential appearances (Salon, 10/16/03). In each case, after failing to elicit any interest from his publication, my source has graciously passed his information on to me, and I’ve been able to run with it.

                The message is clear. The mainstream media are deluged with tips about important stories that the public needs to know about, but timid, lazy and budget-conscious editors simply let them pass, perhaps unwilling to incur the wrath of the administration or its allied media pressure groups. Reporters at most media corporations quickly learn that they don’t get raises or promotions for pushing these kinds of edgy pieces.

                Such stories are left, instead, to the alternative media, where I and many of my more dogged colleagues end up running most of our work. It represents a remarkable reversal of the days when reporters dreamed of finding their own Deep Throat whose leaks would enable them to break big stories. Now it seems like mainstream journalists are forced to turn themselves into Deep Throat—leaking hot stories to the alternative press that their own outlets have no interest in covering.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                  I agree with the OP. We need a real liberal voice in talk radio; TV and the print media just aren't enough.
                  Ha! Ha! Ha! Hey, that's so good, Drake, I'll pass it on to my corporate bosses. They'll get a kick out of it, too.

                  Gatekeeper
                  "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                  "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                  • #24
                    Liberal talk radio doesn't exist because there's no audience for it- why listen to people complaining about stuff when you can listen to music instead?
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                    There are reasons why I believe mankind should live in cities and let nature reclaim all the villages with the exception of a few we keep on display as horrific reminders of rural life.-Starchild
                    Meat eating and the dominance and force projected over animals that is acompanies it is a gateway or parallel to other prejudiced beliefs such as classism, misogyny, and even racism. -General Ludd

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Pax
                      I don't want to start a liberal radio station. I want the radio and tv stations we have to report news in an unbiased manner. I don't want propaganda. I want news!
                      so you want goverment control over the airwaves then.

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                      • #26
                        and normal people listen to music in their cars. . go to the internet for news.

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                        • #27
                          I listen to the Jazz station where everyone is cool 24/7. Dig?
                          He's got the Midas touch.
                          But he touched it too much!
                          Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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                          • #28
                            Ha! Ha! Ha! Hey, that's so good, Drake, I'll pass it on to my corporate bosses. They'll get a kick out of it, too.


                            What's so hilarious about the idea of liberal talk radio? It might be able to succeed if it were run competently, unlike Air America.
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                            ASHER FOR CEO!!
                            GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Smiley
                              Liberal talk radio doesn't exist because there's no audience for it- why listen to people complaining about stuff when you can listen to music instead?
                              Are you saying that the right-wing media orgs don't spend lots of time complaining even when they're getting there way. I would have to disagree. Right-wing media complains especially when they get there way so it always seems that they are never getting there way. An example of this is when the right-wing media constantly refers to media in general as left-wing even though they are the primary media.
                              What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                              What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Dissident


                                so you want goverment control over the airwaves then.
                                No. I want the opposite. What's going on right now is basic government control of most media.
                                What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                                What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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