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  • #46
    Statistical anomaly.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Saras
      it's SSR then. Nevada SSR, New York SSR and so on

      They'd only confuse SSR with SR toothpaste smuggled in on the black market from Canada or Mexico.

      'Soviet' is only two syllables, and sounds touchingly close to 'Elmer, we thurr yet ?' a sound often heard as the citizens of the People's Democratic Republic of Bushdonia share a unicycle to work in the people's potato fields or the Women's Harvester Maintenance Sheds.
      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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      • #48
        if you go to the biking groups on Usenet, you will find a certain guy (usenet kook?) who specifically bikes in order to avoid having to carry ID, which he doesnt believe in. He says hes never driven (or at least not in years) cause he doesnt want to carry ID.

        In fact not only can you get from place to place by bike without ID, but at least in the northeast you can in theory get pretty far by trains and buses that are not considered "intercity" For ex you can get from DC to practically the Delaware line on a commuter train, and then walk to Newark, Del and catch another commuter train to Philly, and then a commuter train to Trenton, and then another to New York, and then another to New Haven, CT, and then another all the way to New London, CT. Alternatively you can take the Long Island RR to Orient Pt and catch a ferry to New London.

        You can get from DC to Baltimore without even taking the commuter RR. You can take the metro to New Carrolton, then a metrobus to Annapolis, and then an MTA (baltimore area local) bus to downtown Baltimore.
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #49
          Not anymore. Now you'll need ID on those too.

          But the terrorists can still cycle.
          Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
          Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
          We've got both kinds

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          • #50
            I don't think it would be enforceable on commuter rail.

            Mad props to LotM for his creativity.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #51
              Originally posted by MikeH
              Not anymore. Now you'll need ID on those too.

              But the terrorists can still cycle.

              No, i'll have to check the legislation, but Im quite sure it wont effect local metros, or local buses.

              Im not sure about commuter trains.
              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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              • #52
                Originally posted by MikeH
                Not anymore. Now you'll need ID on those too.

                The law we are discussing only changes what is considered acceptable ID, it makes NO changes to where ID is required. If there are changes to where ID is required, that you know of, please provide a cite.
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #53
                  Pretty soon, I will not have just any ID card, I will have a MICROSOFT (R) ID card !

                  Originally posted by microsoft
                  The Belgian Government has recently approved full roll-out of the eID Card.

                  eID stands for Electronic Identity Card, an initiative from FEDict - FOD Informatie- en Communicatietechnologie (www.fedict.be) - , whereby every citizen will eventually receive a smart card based eID Card.

                  By end-2005, it can be expected that about 3.000.000 eID cards will be distributed in Belgium. We anticipate that this massive roll-out will result in many applications that are eID compliant.

                  Microsoft is preparing an eID Awareness and Training campaign towards Microsoft Partners, ISV's and System Integrators.
                  veni vidi PWNED!

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                  • #54
                    The question is, do subways count as trains/buses?
                    "Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - Elok

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                    • #55
                      further, the Greyhound website does NOT indicate any requirement to carry ID of any kind, OTHER than for travel to or from Canada or Mexico. In contrast to the Amtrak website, which does indicate a requirement for photo ID.

                      AFAICT there is NO requirement for ID on buses, even intercity buses, nor does RealID create such a requirement.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Admiral
                        The question is, do subways count as trains/buses?
                        actually, I see no indication that there is a govt requirement for ID on railroads. Amtraks website implies this is a policy adopted by Amtrak, not at legislative or regulatory directive.
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Saras


                          Not Soviet, but Soviet Socialist Republic.
                          Hes obviously refering to the Soviets themselves.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by molly bloom
                            I think Ming's missing the point between voluntarily carrying some non-governmentally decreed items of identification and being compelled to carry a government issued i.d. card.
                            No... you are. Please show me where they are saying that the govenement is compelling us to carry a government issued i.d. card. Yeah, if you want to enter a governement building or travel, you need to have one... not the same thing.

                            But frankly, I have no problem with having a federally mandidated ID card. There are many times where identification is needed, and I think it would be better to have ONE consistent form that is accepted for everything and hard to duplicate/forge.

                            However, I would have a problem if they were proposing random checks on the street... but they are NOT proposing that... they already ask for an ID to board a plane... so there is nothing really new here.
                            Keep on Civin'
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                            • #59
                              One possibility is RFID tags that can be read from a few metres away without you ever realising.
                              Stupidest. Idea. Ever.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Spiffor

                                Probably not "everywhere else" (certainly not in countries with a strong Anglo political tradition), but in most other countries indeed. There is no outrage whatsoever in the countries that already have an ID, and there are only a few countries thathave no ID AND a British-like tradition of liberalism.
                                Britain always stands against tyrants.

                                Domestic or otherwise.

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