10 most rightist posters on poly

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Jaguar


Oh my ****ing god...

Yes, Muslims only started fighting Hindus in India after the British arrived. Ignore that thing about Mahmud of Ghazni, the Moghul Empire and Iranian invasions.


And before the British had the Palestine Mandate, no Arab ever killed a Jew.


And as for Japan and China, they were getting on famously until Great Britain convinced Japan to invade Korea and China and the British Empire in the Far East.


As for Germany invading Poland without declaring war in 1939, ignore what Hitler said in 'Mein Kampf' about Slavs, Jews and Lebensraum, and find the real culprit:

Neville Chamberlain.


He made Hitler do it.


I swear, Jaguar, you should have read Ned's posts about why WWII was Great Britain's fault- it all begins with Great Britain not recognising that Nazi Germany had a perfect right to force the Anschluss on Austria and gobble up Czechoslovakia because apparently Nazi Germany was the obvious legal successor to the Holy Roman Empire of the Hohenstaufens at some point or other.


I've rarely read so many stupefied, agog and amused responses from such a wide spectrum of 'Poly posters.

Ned is great entertainment value, which is why I'd never put him on ignore- I mean you can't buy that quality of absurdist comedic entertainment, since Groucho Marx died.

[Drake Tungsten]

And as for Japan and China, they were getting on famously until Great Britain convinced Japan to invade Korea and China and the British Empire in the Far East.

Relations between China and Japan only soured after Japan joined in on the imperialism in China that had been started by the British...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

And as for Japan and China, they were getting on famously until Great Britain convinced Japan to invade Korea and China and the British Empire in the Far East.

Relations between China and Japan only soured after Japan joined in on the imperialism in China that had been started by the British...

Oh you're absolutely right of course- the perfidious British forced the Japanese to attack China !

[Drake Tungsten]

No. They did however play a large role in weakening China enough and strengthening Japan enough to reverse the historical balance of power in Asia, thereby making such an attack possible...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
No. They did however play a large role in weakening China enough and strengthening Japan enough to reverse the historical balance of power in Asia, thereby making such an attack possible...

So in fact the British weren't responsible for Japan attacking China. Glad we cleared that up.


I suppose those little civil wars and rebellions that occurred in 19th Century China couldn't have had something to do with the weakening of the Manchu Dynasty could they ?

Or Russian imperialism in the Far East ?

And I suppose Japan just would have forgotten about the example of the Portuguese in Macau, the Spanish in the Philippines and American imperialism in the Pacific and the Philippines too ?

Yeah, I think those examples of imperialism would have escaped them entirely- they would have needed the British to show them how to really dislike China.

[Drake Tungsten]

I suppose those little civil wars and rebellions that occurred in 19th Century China couldn't have had something to do with the weakening of the Manchu Dynasty could they ?

Or Russian imperialism in the Far East?

All child's play compared to the damage done to China by Western imperialism, begun by the British with the Opium Wars...

And I suppose Japan just would have forgotten about the example of the Portuguese in Macau, the Spanish in the Philippines and American imperialism in the Pacific and the Philippines too ?

The Tokugawa were trying to isolate Japan from imperialism, not join in on it. It was the forces behind the Meiji Restoration, backed in no small part by the British, who set Japan upon the path of modernization and expansion that would eventually lead to the WWII excesses of an imperial Japan.

Yeah, I think those examples of imperialism would have escaped them entirely- they would have needed the British to show them how to really dislike China.

You're sadly mistaken if you think a dislike for China had much of anything to do with Japan's imperialist actions. Had much more to do with a intense desire to emulate and be respected by the Western powers, especially Britain...

[Al'Kimiya]

It's a shame being lumped together with libertarians.. there's nothing right about them.

Btw.. time for a new political compass thread already

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


You're sadly mistaken if you think a dislike for China had much of anything to do with Japan's imperialist actions. Had much more to do with a intense desire to emulate and be respected by the Western powers, especially Britain...

Still haven't shown how the British Empire forced Japan to invade & colonize Korea and provoke a war with China.

Aren't rightwingers keen on the idea of personal responsibility ?

You know, if you do something, a tu quoque defence of 'they did it too teacher !' is regarded as being piss poor even in infant school.

[Drake Tungsten]

Still haven't shown how the British Empire forced Japan to invade & colonize Korea and provoke a war with China.

That was never my goal. I don't go in for historical revisionism.

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

The Tokugawa were trying to isolate Japan from imperialism, not join in on it. It was the forces behind the Meiji Restoration, backed in no small part by the British, who set Japan upon the path of modernization and expansion that would eventually lead to the WWII excesses of an imperial Japan.

This is only half the story: the British forced the Japanese to modernize in order to stave off the next Mongolian invasion of the archipelago, which, if succesfull, would have allowed the heirs of Genghis Khan to utilize Japan as a springboard for the conquest of the US. Obviously this would have an untenable position for Britain.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Still haven't shown how the British Empire forced Japan to invade & colonize Korea and provoke a war with China.

That was never my goal. I don't go in for historical revisionism.

I'm unsure what your goal was then.

If Ned's point is that Great Britain was somehow responsible for Japan invading China, and you state in a subseuqent post that relations only soured between Japan and China after the advent of Western Imperialism in mainland China, then you're implying some ineluctable chain of causality.

If Great Britain didn't force Japan to invade Korea or provoke China to attack Japan then it isn't responsible for Japan going to war with China. The Japanese could presumably have chosen some other geo-political expression of nationhood couldn't they ?

But they chose not to.

Unless you believe that the Japanese could take only the British as exemplars.

[Drake Tungsten]

This is only half the story: the British forced the Japanese to modernize in order to stave off the next Mongolian invasion of the archipelago, which, if succesfull, would have allowed the heirs of Genghis Khan to utilize Japan as a springboard for the conquest of the US. Obviously this would have an untenable position for Britain.

Don't be ridiculous. We all know that the Mongols never really existed.

I'm unsure what your goal was then.

Who says I have one? Sometimes I just enjoy being contrary...

If Ned's point is that Great Britain was somehow responsible for Japan invading China, and you state in a subseuqent post that relations only soured between Japan and China after the advent of Western Imperialism in mainland China, then you're implying some ineluctable chain of causality.

No, I'm not. I'm merely providing some context for your flippant remark.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


No, I'm not. I'm merely providing some context for your flippant remark.

I'm sorry that you don't appear to appreciate the difference between sarcasm and flippancy.

[Drake Tungsten]

Thank you for your concern.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Thank you for your concern.

Goodness knows, you obviously need some.