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Don't drag me into this Ned. I'm only mentioned in honorable mention passing as a conservative. Not like all you hard core wack jobs. (j/k)
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Don't drag me into this Ned. I'm only mentioned in honorable mention passing as a conservative. Not like all you hard core wack jobs. (j/k)
You obviously are very well versed in British propaganda. But you failed to actually read my post. The reason the Japanese were in China and had received one province and the rights to Manchuria was because of the Treaty of Versailles -- yes that infamous DICTAT that everyone agrees was the cause of WWII in Europe. Well, it just so happens, it had the same exact effect in China.
As to the Arab v. Jew situation, you know as well as I that the Jews and the Arabs got along famously for two millenia. They were allies, after all, in their war against Romania and Christian Europe. King Faisal had granted them "homeland" status in Palestine just before the Treaty of Versailles was finalized. But when the Brits betrayed!!!!!! the Arabs and kept Palestine for itself, the Arabs went to war against both the Brits and the Jews of Palestine.
Thank you Britain for another war that never seems to end. Causa belli galore!!!!
No, Ned I read your post attentively- you claimed that Great Britain was responsible for Japan going to war with China, Arabs fighting Jews, et cetera.
In this universe, rather than relying on vague assertions, assumptions and deranged speculation, people are usually required to back up such extravagant claims with things like, facts, quotes, references rather than a gut feeling that Great Britain is the source of all evil, boo-hoo.
Evidently, in the Nedaverse, things work very differently.
One can ignore the entire history of Zionist emigration to Palestine, pre League of Nations Mandate, one can ignore deteriorating relations between Japan and China, or the long history of Muslim-Hindu, Muslim-Sikh conflict in India, and just put the blame on Blighty- because it's easier, and doesn't require thought or effort, or facts ro a relationship to how things occurred in the real world.
Bravo, Ned, another bravura performance of alternate history taught the Nedaverse way.
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Why of course, Britain is blameless for all the landgrabbing it and its allies did with Versailles and how this set up and caused WWII in both the East and the West. In the case of China and Japan, given their recent war, giving Japan a major Chinese province and the commercial rights to another in 1919 was almost certain to cause an enormously hostile reaction in China. That was forseeable. But Britain did it anyway, and it did lead to war.
Now, one can try to blame Japan for "starting" the war as we did Germany when it invaded Poland or the Arabs when they revolted in Palestine, but the real cause of all three wars was the Brits setting up the conditions for war in 1919.
I have also had long discussions with my "Indian" friends who similarly blame Britain for breaking apart India and setting up the future conflicts between India and Pakistan. It is amazing how some of their anti-British attitude rubs off when you learn history from the view of a victim of British betrayal.
What Poly needs more of are posters from India who can set you British Empire types in their place.
her than relying on vague assertions, assumptions and deranged speculation, people are usually required to back up such extravagant claims with things like, facts, quotes, references rather than a gut feeling that Great Britain is the source of all evil, boo-hoo.
her than relying on vague assertions, assumptions and deranged speculation, people are usually required to back up such extravagant claims with things like, facts, quotes, references rather than a gut feeling that Great Britain is the source of all evil, boo-hoo.
The penny's dropped! Ned is Mel Gibson!!!
I wonder where Mel gets his attitude about the Brits? As I said, I began to change my opinion based upon my discussions with some Indian friends.
Japan feared Russian expansion into northern China and Korea, and sought foreign conquests in line with nationalistic Meiji ideology.
It appears that the passage Ned quoted refutes his assertion. Japan was an aggressor that needed no encouragement.
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I wonder where Mel gets his attitude about the Brits?
He's an Australian in revolt. We have plenty of similar cases on our side of the Tasman. It's a bit childish and shows the immaturity of our countries, but it is getting old now.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
But whether they would have invaded China proper unless they were allowed a toehold there first by the Brits is another question entirely.
And I guess that if Brits had said no and a war between Japan and Britain had started, then i guess that that also would have been Britains fault ?
Just one comment, By the question I in no way think that Japan needed Brits allowance to start a war with China.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
I wonder where Mel gets his attitude about the Brits?
He's an Australian in revolt. We have plenty of similar cases on our side of the Tasman. It's a bit childish and shows the immaturity of our countries, but it is getting old now.
He was born in the Australian province of New York.
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I wonder where Mel gets his attitude about the Brits? As I said, I began to change my opinion based upon my discussions with some Indian friends.
He's got Irish Catholic background, and like many who left Ireland seems to harbour vicarious resentment against the English more than those who gained their "Freedom!" without leaving.
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