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[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by JohnT
Or is that something they taught you at Lawyer Tech?

What, you think a lawyer lying is something to be surprised about?

[Dis]

star wars is the title of the movie released in 1977.

End of story. End of discussion.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
LotM:

Do you think that most people consider "Star Wars" to be the title of the movie released in 1977, yes or no?

I suppose it depends how recently theyve seen it. If they just saw a video of it, and noticed the crawl with the title, "Star Wars:A New Hope", they might call it that. Otherwise, just Star Wars. I really cant say how many would go each way, without prompting.

But Im sure anyone who has discussed it, and gotten caught up in the "first movie, no I dont mean TPM" thingie calls it Episode 4.

Just as anyone who is at all serious about Star Trek refers to the series with Captain Kirk as ST:TOS.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
If they just saw a video of it, and noticed the crawl with the title, "Star Wars:A New Hope",

That's not how it goes, though.

The first thing you see is the big STAR WARS on it's own. Then the crawl starts, and it's in a much smaller font that it says "Episode IV: A New Hope." Looks more like a subtitle (which it was until 1997).

But Im sure anyone who has discussed it, and gotten caught up in the "first movie, no I dont mean TPM" thingie calls it Episode 4.

I bet that, more often, they would say "the original one" or "the 1970s one."

[Drake Tungsten]

The first thing you see is the big STAR WARS on it's own. Then the crawl starts, and it's in a much smaller font that it says "Episode IV: A New Hope." Looks more like a subtitle (which it was until 1997).

All the movies start like that. Doesn't mean I call The Empire Strikes Back or Revenge of the Sith "Star Wars".

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
All the movies start like that. Doesn't mean I call The Empire Strikes Back of Revenge of the Sith "Star Wars".

All the other movies were also branded and marketed by their titles and/or episode number upon release. "Star Wars" was not. That's the difference, which I've stated over and over and over and over...

[Drake Tungsten]

All the other movies were also branded and marketed by their titles and/or episode number upon release. "Star Wars" was not. That's the difference, which I've stated over and over and over and over...

People who didn't see A New Hope before 1981 don't know that.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

All the other movies were also branded and marketed by their titles and/or episode number upon release. "Star Wars" was not. That's the difference, which I've stated over and over and over and over...

People who didn't see A New Hope before 1981 don't know that.

Yes they do, since, as I pointed out already several times, the movie was never marketed or branded as "A New Hope" until 2000. Jesus Christ, why is this so hard for people?

[Drake Tungsten]

I watch any Star Wars movie and I see the same thing. First, a big "Star Wars" announcing the title of the series. Then the crawl starts and the first thing I see is the episode number and the name of the particular film. That's consistent across all six films and has been since 1981. So, is it any surprise that people who call The Empire Strikes Back by its name or Return of the Jedi by its name would also have noticed A New Hope at the start of Episode 4 and realized that was the movie's name? There's been over twenty years for this easy to grasp fact to sink in...

[JohnT]

I have no idea, Boris. It's puzzling to me as well.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I watch any Star Wars movie and I see the same thing. First, a big "Star Wars" announcing the title of the series. Then the crawl starts and the first thing I see is the episode number and the name of the particular film. That's consistent across all six films and has been since 1981. So, is it any surprise that people who call The Empire Strikes Back by its name or Return of the Jedi by its name would also have noticed A New Hope at the start of Episode 4 and realized that was the movie's name? There's been over twenty years for this easy to grasp fact to sink in...

Both ESB and RotJ were explicitley branded us such in their advertising and marketing. The original film was only branded, advertised and marketed as "Star Wars" until 2000. So as far as most people were concerned, that was it's title, not "A New Hope." And until 1997, they were entirely correct, as that WAS its title. Just "Star Wars."

I suspect we're having to rehash this because you haven't read the thread up until now. Not that I would blame you, but it would have prevented you from looking stupid.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I watch any Star Wars movie and I see the same thing. First, a big "Star Wars" announcing the title of the series. Then the crawl starts and the first thing I see is the episode number and the name of the particular film. That's consistent across all six films and has been since 1981. So, is it any surprise that people who call The Empire Strikes Back by its name or Return of the Jedi by its name would also have noticed A New Hope at the start of Episode 4 and realized that was the movie's name? There's been over twenty years for this easy to grasp fact to sink in...

C'mon Drake. You're reaching. The movie's name was never "A New Hope" until 1997 when the copyright and title were changed.

Nobody calls ESB "Episode 5." Nobody calls ROTJ "Episode 6." You're arguing for a pattern of behaviour that just doesn't exist.

This "easy to grasp fact" has, apparently, only been grasped by you and Imran.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by JohnT
I have no idea, Boris. It's puzzling to me as well.

It's a lot like watching lemmings going over a cliff...

[Drake Tungsten]

How pervasive is branding and advertising for a film that was released years, even decades ago? I'm sorry, but most people who didn't see Episode 4 in its initial run are going to base what they refer to the movie as on viewings of the movie itself, not non-existant marketing for a movie that had ended its theater run years before.

I'm not taking a side in this, though. Both sides are talking out their ass, spewing BAMs like "most people think this" or "no, the majority calls them this!" Nobody has any proof. I'm just pointing out that it is possible that some people would refer to Episode 4 as "A New Hope" based on viewings of the movie...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
How pervasive is branding and advertising for a film that was released years, even decades ago?

Star Wars has been released many, many times since 1977, both theatrically and on VHS/DVD. The most recent theatrical release was 1997, and it was STILL called just "Star Wars." So the branding has been around throughout that time.

You can't dismiss 23 years of marketing and branding as irrelevant to how people view the movie, since most people alive today were around to witness how it was branded during those years. We're not talking just advertising, either. We're also talking merchandising, which has been constantly around, and TV runs, which have also been fairly constant.

If someone were to rent or buy a copy of the original movie pre-2000, the box would only have said "Star Wars." Why the hell would they therefore think the title was anything else?

I'm just pointing out that it is possible that some people would refer to Episode 4 as "A New Hope" based on viewings of the movie...

Nobody said it wasn't possible, just that it was less likely, given common sense. Why would I assume the title of the movie I'd just seen was something different than what was on the marquis/video box/in the newspaper/etc.?