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[Drake Tungsten]

Um, at least two people so far have...

Who? Maybe Jaguar, but Imran has been arguing that the usage of episode numbers dates back to the release of The Empire Strikes Back, which is correct.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran, you're wrong because the copyright says your wrong.

So the crawl in ESB did NOT say "Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back"? You confirmed it did! You confirmed your pwnage and then continue to argue! It's incredible!

Actually referring to Star Wars by "episode number" didn't begin until the late 1990's, a fact buttressed by the quoted copyright revision.

Nope, we refered to as Ep 4 during the mid 90s and early 90s.

And Boris just confirmed that the movie was retitled Ep 4 - A New Hope in 1981! Far earlier than the late 90s, don't you think?

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Oerdin
As a Star Wars junky growing up I can remember the original three had episode numbers listed on the intial written part from their original release.

You were 1 year old when the original film came out, 4 when ESB came out, and 7 when ROTJ was released.

I gotta tell you - I seriously doubt that you remember the first-run of SW.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by JohnT
According to the US Copyright Office, it was officially retitled Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope in 1997.

JohnT pwns Wiki.

Who CARES what the OFFICIAL title was (ie, it's not relevant at all)? Was it or was it not added to the opening crawl well before the late 90s? Introduced far before the time period you are stating it was introduced.

[MrFun]

@ geeks arguing over something as petty as this

[Dinner]

It was retitled but the scolll had "Episode 4" in it from the beginning. It just wasn't part of the title before 1981.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Um, at least two people so far have...

Who? Maybe Jaguar, but Imran has been arguing that the usage of episode numbers dates back to the release of The Empire Strikes Back, which is correct.

Jaguar and Oerdin, to be precise.

I don't care, really, what their argument is about, but I'll reiterate: nobody except a small contigent of geeks refers to the first film as either "episode 4" or "a new hope" The overwhelming majority of people think of the first film as "Star Wars," period.

[JohnT]

Ladies and gentlemen, let me clarify:

1. I'm talking about the actual title of the films. Not what went on in them.

and

2. I'm talking about what people called the films when they were released.

There was no "Episode X" crap in the American vernacular: the films were referred to by their official titles as displayed, advertised, and legally registered with the US copyright office. Until 1997 that is, when Lucas changed the names of the films which required a revision to the earlier copyrights.

Note the damn cites! You could look it up yourself if you think I'm bull****ting you.

How difficult is this to understand, especially as I've stated my position time and time again?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It was retitled but the scolll had "Episode 4" in it from the beginning. It just wasn't part of the title before 1981.

You do realize this has already been proven false?

The line "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" was added to the opening crawl from 1981 forward.

The original release did NOT feature the title "A New Hope"

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I don't care, really, what their argument is about, but I'll reiterate: nobody except a small contigent of geeks refers to the first film as either "episode 4" or "a new hope" The overwhelming majority of people think of the first film as "Star Wars," period.

Got a cite to back that claim up . Every time I've heard it discussed it was called Episode 4 or A New Hope. Calling it Star Wars when that is the name of the series is just a scene ripe for confusion.

[MrFun]

Maybe Sophie can explain it in smaller words for the others?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by JohnT
Ladies and gentlemen, let me clarify:

1. I'm talking about the actual title of the films. Not what went on in them.

and

2. I'm talking about what people called the films when they were released.

There was no "Episode X" crap in the American vernacular: the films were referred to by their official titles as displayed, advertised, and legally registered with the US copyright office. Until 1997 that is, when Lucas changed the names of the films which required a revision to the earlier copyrights.

Note the damn cites! You could look it up yourself if you think I'm bull****ting you.

How difficult is this to understand, especially as I've stated my position time and time again?

You talked about when the episode numbers were 'introduced'. Sorry, but to most people 'introduced' means when they were first seen. That would be Episode V - Empire Strikes Back.

And how did Lucas changing the copyrights suddenly make people call the movies Episode X? Was there a brain wave involved? That is your greatest leap and most unconvincing.

[Drake Tungsten]

Jaguar and Oerdin, to be precise.

So, in terms of correctness it's...

Imran >>>>>>>>>> John T > Jaguar and Oerdin

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Got a cite to back that claim up . Every time I've heard it discussed it was called Episode 4 or A New Hope. Calling it Star Wars when that is the name of the series is just a scene ripe for confusion.

I've got years of experience growing up as a Star Wars kid in the 1980s. I challenge you to go to the man on the street and ask them what they think of the movie "A New Hope." Nine out of ten won't have a clue what you're talking about. Say "Star Wars," and most will think of the 1977 original movie. That's the vernacular that existed for the longest time: Star Wars, then Empire Strikes Back, then Return of the Jedi.

And what confusion are you alluding to? Who the hell would get confused by it?

[MrFun]

we're also arguing about who is really arguing