FOX says Mexicans in the US do the work blacks don't want.......

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by JohnT
He should have said that Mexicans in the US do the work that Americans won't do. Then there would be no controversy.

Really, to automatically shout racism because the name blacks is involved in the statement is ridiculous.

This is not about racism but about exploitation of certain social/ethnic groups. I keep hearing that the immigrants do the work Austrians won't do and never feel attacked by a racist commentary, rather a bit guilty to belong to a privileged group.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Whoha
I often mention it because after the glut of labor left economic growth picked up because businesses were forced to think. Now we have people building machine tools,electronics, and vehicles spending money rather then people who pick food by hand for a living.

This period occured during an unprecedented time in American history, after WW2, when economic growth was rapid and the pace of technology on the farm grew exponentially.

Unfortunatley the technology multiplier doesn't work as strong on the farm the way it did back then. It's kinda like how the productivity boom on the 90s played itself out when pcs made it into every desk in the office.

Now technology improvements are incremental.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Caligastia

You can't change the facts, so you whine about bias.

The facts came from a biased source. The front page of that website says, "Attrition through Enforcement, the Only Successful Approach."

The pretty much sums up what that group is about.

Crackers with lawyers and PHD's.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


This period occured during an unprecedented time in American history, after WW2, when economic growth was rapid and the pace of technology on the farm grew exponentially.

Unfortunatley the technology multiplier doesn't work as strong on the farm the way it did back then. It's kinda like how the productivity boom on the 90s played itself out when pcs made it into every desk in the office.

Now technology improvements are incremental.

I've already shown that there are still improvements to be made that will result in massive productivity increases.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


The facts came from a biased source. The front page of that website says, "Attrition through Enforcement, the Only Successful Approach."

The pretty much sums up what that group is about.

Crackers with lawyers and PHD's.

He only quotes it because he can't find a single unbiased source to back up his ridiculous claims. But being a racist, I doubt he'll ever be capable of dealing with the issue objectively so I guess it's pointless to continue arguing with someone who refused to listen to truth.

Let him and DinoDoc think illegals are one giant drain on the economy, it's them who are mired on self-imposed ignorance, not us.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
This is going to be one of those conversations isn't it. Ted Striker might be able to help you come up with more amusing attempts at insulting me. I however see no reason why a oil producing nation in an era of such high prices is shuttling thier freeloading citizens over to burden our system because they are too stupid to have a half way decent health care system.

I said you know jacksh*t about the issue because you effectively know jacksh*t about the issue. You posted an asinine and totally incorrect comment about Mexico's 1995 bailout package proving you have no clue about the debt issue yet you spout such nonsense as if you practically knew the entire details on it.

Should I now take you seriously regarding your "knowledge" on the immigration issue?

However I would be interested in learning why your stringing together a collection of bull**** assumptions is a more reliable model of the costs of illegal immigration than the model Cali is using.

Because any dumbass knows that you can't limit yourself to comparing the tax vs public service ammounts and reach a conclusion that immigration is bad for the economy when you're leaving consumption and inter-generaltional issues out of the equation. Studies by the CIS and other such racist groups deliberately exclude these aspects in their methodology so they can easily mislead people with a lot of fancy numbers which aren't false.

But us economists have a saying: The numbers don't lie, but you can lie with numbers. Adapting the methodology to prove a your point instead of the point is the strategy not only the anti-immigration lobby uses, but also the creationists, the ecologists, the anti-ecologists, the neoliberals, the socialists, etc etc etc.

[DinoDoc]

Edit: Much better. Though you could seal the deal by actually giving a link supporting your assertions. Otherwise it comes across as you just pulling specious "facts" out of your ass.

[Master Zen]

Here's an excelent analysis of the immigration issue from the Cato Institute (which doesn't limit itself to anti-immigration studies and who's data is backed up by academic sources listed in the reference section).

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/pr-immig.html#contents

I suggest Chapter 7.

[DinoDoc]

Was that really so hard now?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Was that really so hard now?

Was it really so hard to think for yourself about the limitations of a biased study and wait until someone else posted a more convincing study?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Master Zen


Was it really so hard to think for yourself about the limitations of a biased study and wait until someone else posted a more convincing study?

I actually haven't read any of the links in this thread yet. I was just trying to get an answer to the question I asked. You're the one that brought up side issues. I played along for fun.

[Whoha]

"as of 1990"
That data seems to be 15 years out of date.

as to the lack of an "inter-generational model",If you want to take that into account you must also take into account what the Velocity of the Money being drained out of our economy by Remittances,infrastructure straining,etc would have been had the money been available for something else.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Out of curiosity, refering back to the article I posted earlier why doesn't Mexico improve thier medical system to something above 3rd world conditions rather shuttling the problem on our shoulders?

I believe it has to do with lack of resources. A high birth rate combined with historically lack luster economic growth combined to place a large demand for government services (education, health care, etc) but limited the government's ability to meet those demands. I am happy to report that since NAFTA was signed the Mexican economy has picked up remarkabely.

In the short run this will cost jobs from the US and Canada but in the long run it is in everyone's interests to have our NAFTA partner a stable developed country. That its being done on free market economic methods is also a good thing for capitalism here in North America.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Whoha
"as of 1990"
That data seems to be 15 years out of date.

Well, welfare benefits have been cut nationwide since then. The outlays should be even less.

as to the lack of an "inter-generational model",If you want to take that into account you must also take into account what the Velocity of the Money being drained out of our economy by Remittances,infrastructure straining,etc would have been had the money been available for something else.

So its bad for individuals to invest their money overseas??
As for the infrastructurte being strained- isn't that a result of not keeping up infrastructre building to keep pace with economic growth? Hardly the immigrant's fault.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by GePap


Well, welfare benefits have been cut nationwide since then. The outlays should be even less.

If the population had stayed the same, the illegal population is now increasing by the illegal population TOTAL in that document every year.

So its bad for individuals to invest their money overseas??

Dollars can only be spent in the US at the end of the day. If Mexico were running a 15 Billion dollar trade deficit with us this would not be a problem, that is not the case.

As for the infrastructurte being strained- isn't that a result of not keeping up infrastructre building to keep pace with economic growth? Hardly the immigrant's fault.

We shouldn't have to build infrastructure to cure diseases that we wiped out previously. Multiple Drug Resistant TB is not economic growth.