FOX says Mexicans in the US do the work blacks don't want.......

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Only by having the block of republicans sign on en-masse else it would have been held up IIRC.

Which only goes to show how far down the republican party has gone in the last 40 years, especially after welcoming with open hands most of the politicans who left the democratic party for having passed the civil rights bill in the first place.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Wow Boris the fact that the word plays so prominant a role in his vocabulary speaks so well for the man doncha think. Regardless of actual context.

"Regardless of context?" Bull****. Context is critical here. Why not cite us the entire quote in context and then we'll see if there was racist intent behind the usage.

Byrd said a stupid thing that was thoughtless, but it wasn't racist in its intent--only a moron could think it was.

Applying it to whitey gets him his pass, that and the fact that he is a Dem. Nevermind the fact he was the principle filibusterer of the civil rights act. Ohh but I forgot times change and people change right?

Yep, they do. Byrd's modern record on civil rights legislation and issues is very good. Why is it that Republicans turn a blind eye to unrepentant racists like Helms, but someone like Byrd who has recanted his past, both in word and deed, is held to a different standard? Oh, right--he's a Democrat, so...

But apparaently times and people don't change when it comes to these particular dixiecrats.

Actions are what count. Racist southern Dems jumped to the Republicans because they were enraged over their own party's support of civil rights. Ignoring this fact is pretty disingenuous.

Who gets the A in disingenuity? Why it would appear to be you B.

Hardly. If you think so, I don't think you know what the word even means. But your own post was rife with it.

[Boris Godunov]

I'm still waiting to hear how 40-year-old party stances are relevant today, anyway. I think it's pretty obvious to all but the brain dead that the relative stances on many issues within the parties have changed and flip-flopped over time, depending on what demographics they were pursuing.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Actions are what count. Racist southern Dems jumped to the Republicans because they were enraged over their own party's support of civil rights. Ignoring this fact is pretty disingenuous.

No you twittering imbecile. Southern Dems revolted againsts Northern Dems for being strong armed into a situation they did not want.

That being said they did eventually change thanks to of all people that evil Nixon who masterminded the SOuthern Strategy.

Please continue with your cannard that only the likes of Byrd can change tho'. Truly a gem of a dem who has seen the best means to keep the black man in thrall is to keep him behodlen to the Dem party. Truly an enlightened slavemaster.

Why Richard Nixon Deserves to Be Remembered Along with Brown
By Joseph J. Sabia
Mr. Sabia is a Ph.D. candidate in economics at Cornell University.

In recent weeks Americans gathered to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Brown decision, which overturned the “separate, but equal” doctrine and ordered the desegregation of public schools “with all deliberate speed.” However, many Southern schools dragged their feet on integration, with districts steadfastly refusing to obey the court order. When federal bureaucrats tried to intervene to force desegregation, tensions grew. Summing up the situation, Senator Richard Russell, D-GA, stated in 1970, “The people of (the South) are more worked up over this problem than anything I’ve seen in all my years in politics.” Enter Richard Nixon: racial healer.

In the fall of 1968, 68 percent of black children in the South were attending all-black schools. By 1974, that number had fallen to 8 percent. This extraordinary accomplishment was achieved through the shrewd political skills and raw courage of President Nixon, Secretary of Labor George Schultz, and Attorney General John Mitchell.

In his book With Nixon, speechwriter Ray Price outlined Nixon’s school desegregation goals:

Nixon’s aim was to use the minimum coercion necessary to achieve the essential national goal, to encourage local initiative, to respect diversity, and, to the extent possible, to treat the entire nation equally – blacks equally with whites, the South equally with the North.

Vice President Spiro Agnew was chosen to chair a special Cabinet Committee on Education, the purpose of which was to find the best course of action to peacefully desegregate Southern schools in accordance with a 1969 court order. This Cabinet committee voted to create several state advisory panels, which were staffed with a diverse cross-section of leaders from each Southern state. These committees included white segregationists, black leaders, and other government officials.

Initially, there was little reason to believe that these state advisory committees would accomplish much. But Nixon pressed on. On June 24, 1970, the president met with the 15-member Mississippi State Advisory Committee in the White House. As Nixon reported in his memoirs, one of the black committee members expressed his optimism:

The day before yesterday I was in jail for going to the wrong beach. Today, Mr. President, I am meeting you. If that’s possible anything can happen.

And it did. In an incredible gesture of good faith, Mississippi Manufacturers Association president Warren Wood and Biloxi NAACP president Dr. Gilbert Mason agreed to serve as co-chairman of the Mississippi committee. According to Price, Mason christened his new relationship with Wood by saying:

If you and I can’t do this, nobody else in the state of Mississippi can. We’re probably the only black and white men in the state who can get together on something like this.

Nixon met personally with seven state advisory committees, expressing his belief that they could work together to peacefully solve one of the great crises of our time:

With each of (the committees) I stressed the same points. First, I condemned the hypocrisy in much of the North about the segregation problem. I affirmed my belief that the South should be treated with understanding and patience, but I also stressed the need to solve the problem through peaceful compliance. Second, I emphasized my commitment to the principle of local leadership to solve local problems.

During the 1960s, many liberals self-righteously screamed about racism, demanding that the federal government coerce Southerners into racial integration. The result of their heavy-handed tactics was more racial antagonism.

The president tried a different approach – cooperation. Thanks to Nixon’s strong leadership, Shultz’s masterful negotiating skills and Mitchell’s ability to keep overzealous Justice Department officials in check, the state advisory committees were an overwhelming success.

In a 1970 memo, presidential counselor Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote, “There has been more change in the structure of American public school education in the last month than in the past 100 years.” And, like going to China, only Nixon could have done it.

While much is made over his “Southern strategy” in 1968, few understand that the Southern strategy brought the South back into the nation’s body politic by appealing to sentiments that united all Americans: patriotism, duty, and cooperation. Nixon refused to condescend to Southerners. He treated them as Americans, equal in every way to Northerners. And because Nixon took that course, he was able to achieve one of the greatest civil rights triumphs of the twenty-first century: the peaceful desegregation of Southern schools.

Nixon gets almost no credit for his civil rights efforts. Thanks to the liberal press, most Americans think that Nixon’s civil rights record consists of him making a few racist statements in the Oval Office. Given the historical record, this is a tragedy.

In the Brown celebrations, virtually no mentions of the former president were made. Nixon’s civil rights triumphs have been flushed down the memory hole. Moynihan summed it up in a December 1970 speech, transcribed by Price:

Since [Nixon assumed office]...the great symbol of racial subjugation, the dual school system of the South, virtually intact two years ago, has quietly and finally been dismantled. All in all, a record of good fortune and much genuine achievement. And yet how little the administration seems to be credited with what it has achieved.

If we are to honor the Supreme Court for its decision in Brown, we should also honor Richard Nixon for peacefully carrying out its historic judgment.

or maybe someof Nixon's accomplishments

Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon – who believed that blacks had gotten a raw deal in America and wanted to extend a helping hand:

* raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent;

* doubled the budget for black colleges;

* appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions than any president, including LBJ;

* adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities;

* invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent;

* raised the share of Southern schools that were desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent. Wrote the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, "It has only been since 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregation has taken place in the South."

The charge that we built our Republican coalition on race is a lie. Nixon routed the left because it had shown itself incompetent to win or end a war into which it had plunged the United States and too befuddled or cowardly to denounce the rioters burning our cities or the brats rampaging on our campuses.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
No you twittering imbecile.

Wtf? Personal insults now? Wow, you're side must be bankrupt for you to resort to this.

Southern Dems revolted againsts Northern Dems for being strong armed into a situation they did not want.

Yeah, a situation wherein they would have to abide civil rights legislation. How is this remotely different than what I was saying?

That being said they did eventually change thanks to of all people that evil Nixon who masterminded the SOuthern Strategy.

And this is relevant...how? I never suggested Nixon was a racist. He may have been, but that's not an issue here. He wasn't a Dixiecrat-turned-Republican, though, so he's irrelevant.

Are you suggesting that the Southern Dem leap to the Republicans didn't have anything to do with the civil rights opposition? Come on.

Please continue with your cannard that only the likes of Byrd can change tho'.

Stawman. Made no such claim.

[quote] Truly a gem of a dem who has seen the best means to keep the black man in thrall is to keep him behodlen to the Dem party. Truly an enlightened slavemaster.[QUOTE]

Right, because the black electorate is *so* stupid that it couldn't see through obvious attempts to do such a thing. This is precisely why the Republicans can't win the black vote--they think they're dumb and view them as an electoral commodity.

[Dinner]

I realize we're talking about Vicente Fox and not FAUX NEWS but I just saw another great reason why FAUX NEWS should be laughed at. One of their talking heads was pontifficating on fillibusters and he declared that the Constitution tells the Senate to give its advice and consent so the senate had to consent to all of Bush's nominees! :lol

I'm this is literally what the guy said. How can anyone take FAUX NEWS serious when it says stuff like this?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Blacks most certainly aren't blindly loyal but they do seem to hate the stink of racism that surrounds the Republican Party.

Given the legacy of the Democrat Party, we both know from which animal, Jackass or Elephant, the stink eminates. What is very clear to the average viewer is that one party is always accusing the other party, since the days Jackson the Indian Killer was their leader, of some sort of elitism or another.

Given the very long history of support for civil rights even from its earliest days as a party, with no "dark history" at all, ever, there is only one American party that is clean from this racism charge.

[chequita guevara]

Having been near both donkeys and elephants, I can say without a duobt that elephants are by are the stinkier.

The legacy of the Democratic Party is indeed a terrible one. They are the party of slavery, early imperialism, and secession. They were the original conservatives.

The legacy of the GOP is a noble one. Born of the struggle to end slavery, fought to preserve the union, fought for civil rights. They were true liberals.

Then the parties switched sides.

there is only one American party that is clean from this racism charge.

Ned giving props to the Socialist Party.

[Ned]

Che, on the issue of racism, the Republican Party has never switched sides. Ever.

[Ned]

For example, Nixon created affirmative action precisely to integrate blacks into society and not to warehouse them in "welfare" reservations as Johnson intended.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, on the issue of racism, the Republican Party has never switched sides. Ever.

So all those Dixiecrats who joined the GOP suddenly stopped being racists? Reagan ran the first overtly racist campaign when championing the fight against non-existent welfare queens and "strapping bucks" who pay for t-bone steaks with food stamps and then drive off in their Cadilacs.

I guess you're saying Black people are stupid, since the think the GOP is racist.

[JohnT]

The legacy of the Democratic Party is indeed a terrible one. They are the party of slavery, early imperialism, and secession.

You forgot the KKK!

[chequita guevara]

Dude, you're right! Hell, I forgot segregation, too.

[JohnT]

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, on the issue of racism, the Republican Party has never switched sides. Ever.

OMFG!!


During the late 1850s through the 1870s, the Republican Party had a substantial number of members who were anti-racists while other Republican members were more conservative in regards to concerns of blacks at the time.

However, Reconstruction came to an end with the notorious compromise on the tied presidential election of 1877 when Republican politicians agreed to organize a withdrawal of Union soldiers from the South in return for Southern acceptance of another Republican president.

Republicans were beginning to turn more strongly towards economic issues/interests at the expense of civil rights and the plight of freed blacks in the South. The more conservative Republicans began to gain stronger control of their own party, so that by the 1890s, the Republican Party had become a white supremacist party. Between the 1890s and 1940s, the Republican Party and Democratic Party were both white supremacist parties -- until that is, the Democratic Party changed to embrace egalitarian principles.



Now what were you saying, Ned?