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  • Communism's Good Ideas?

    I'm sorry, but for some reason I cannot attach a poll to this thread. I have tried a number of times.


    What new "ideas" has communism contributed to the advancement of civilization? In answering this question, consider whether an idea has been generally adopted but also whether it was an idea first broached by communists. Universal education, for example, was first proposed by Luther and has become generally accepted by all.

    The below list is taken from the Communist Manifesto. I would add the following:

    1) dictatorship of the proletariat;

    2) free love, marriage is oppression of women; and

    3) from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

    Manifesto

    1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

    http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

  • #2
    @ thread attempts.

    multiple choice poll?

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    • #3
      none

      -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ecthelion
        @ thread attempts.

        multiple choice poll?
        I have no idea what was going on. I submitted the thread four times. Once I got a poll list and was filling it out, when something happened part way through. Since then, I haven't been able to attach a poll.
        http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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        • #5
          I don't understand the point of this thread. Is it about telling which ideas we find good, or is it about whether the Commies were the first ones to come up with them?
          "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
          "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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          • #6
            Skywise, I think free education for kids has been universally adopted.
            http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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            • #7
              Re: Communism's Good Ideas?

              The most excellent quality of not working in practice. Implementing a self-collapsing element into the ideology was absolutely brilliant.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Spiffor
                I don't understand the point of this thread. Is it about telling which ideas we find good, or is it about whether the Commies were the first ones to come up with them?
                Yeah, not which one's you like, but which ones do you think have been adopted by society as a whole.
                http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                • #9
                  i think that after the industrial revolution bared its ugkly head on the urbanized workers, socialism was born with a sole aim and that is to redestribute the wealth in a more reasonable manner for the benefit of all and not just the owners and oligarchy.
                  the workers had found themselves without means to represent themselves efficiently in the democracy. communism started as a way to change that and make the system more democratic in fact.
                  in order to do that we needed the elevation of the workers from total deprivation. so i'd say the best prt of communism was the creation of the social state.
                  we are entering a similar phase now where there is inadequate represenation in the age of globalization. economy can no longer be controlled by politics.
                  bare in mind that the early socialists believed that there will be a natural drive towards socialist societies. the octobrian revolution was just a premature but explainable parenthesis.
                  another good thing that communism gave to the world was the opposite awe to the capitalistic imperial. the effects of which can be seen now that this imperia is unchecked and unchallenged.

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                  • #10
                    Patkis, then you would "equate" socialism and communism?
                    http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                    • #11
                      if i know this right communism is the end of the socialist road. so i'd say that i used "communism" wrongly. in fact communism has never been "achieved".

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                      • #12
                        Re: Communism's Good Ideas?

                        Originally posted by Ned
                        1) dictatorship of the proletariat;
                        not adopted

                        2) free love, marriage is oppression of women; and
                        Not adopted in its purest form, but the man/woman relationships have considerably evolved since that time.

                        3) from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

                        An excellent idea, that has never been fully implemented. The closest we came to this idea was under social democracy (the socialist regimes lacked the "from each according to his ability" part).

                        Manifesto

                        1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
                        Didn't happen in the west. China had such a system since imperial times however.

                        2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
                        Implemented, but the governments are going backwards now.

                        3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
                        Not implemented

                        4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
                        Often implemented in authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. It wasn't a new idea at all either.

                        5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
                        Implemented in the societ bloc. Almost implemented in France suring the 80ies.

                        6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
                        Implemented in most European countries, before the wave of privatization.

                        7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
                        dunno

                        8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
                        The equal obligation of all to work never happened.

                        9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
                        Agriculture became increasingly industrialized, but the geographic distinction between town and country didn't change.

                        10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
                        Implemented in pretty much every developed country.
                        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                        • #13
                          Spiff, I agree. Free education is the one thing that all agree with. Heavy progressive income taxes were adopted, but are being reduced and flattened. State monopolies on communications and transport obviously are a very bad idea.

                          On free love, even though it has not been universally adopted, I understand it is almost the normal thing in many European countries.
                          http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ned
                            State monopolies on communications and transport obviously are a very bad idea.
                            The whole of Great Britain will disagree, especially as far as transport is concerned.

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                            • #15
                              The whole of Great Britain will disagree, especially as far as transport is concerned.


                              Yep. People were pining for British Rail to come back after the privatization fiasco, if you can believe that.
                              Only feebs vote.

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