US backed Uzbekistan slaughters 200 protestors

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by ColdWizard
Obviously there were no massacres because Georgia, Ukraine, and Khyrgyzistan handled their armed, freedom loving, prisoner freeing, democratic protesters in a civilized way.

Things were pretty hot on the protestors' side in Georgia (with Georgia having a wholly separatist province) and Khyrgyzistan, and the central governments could have felt justified into starting a bloodbath. Yet they didn't.

Uzbekistan has clearly behaved in a more criminal fashion than these three.

And I still don't see why you need to charicature my position about the US. In this matter, the US deserves far less thumb-downs than the Uzbek regime.

[ColdWizard]

What caricature? And if there is one who says it's about your position, either in part or in entirety?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I suppose it shows the US' effectivity at earning and keeping satellites, in comparison with Russia's

You'll have to forgive people for jumping to conclusions.

The conclusion are a bit hasty don't you think?

Yes, it's certainly bad to see that innocent civilians are randomlessly murdered by US weapons, especially in a country totally controlled by the US, I guess that it wasn't even the local police/military that did it but special trained US marines.

Yup, it was a cunning scheme decided by Bush himself, coz everyone knows that he can't think and does stupid things.

I'm still trying to figure out why this is the US's fault.

It's painfully obvious. Since we have a base there, he's a puppet ruler and does nothing without our OK.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by ColdWizard
What caricature? And if there is one who says it's about your position, either in part or in entirety?

The fact that your first reply to this thread was about the comparison between Uzbekistan and Georgia/Ukraine/Khyrgyzistan, which I did in the post that preceeded it immediately? Edit: also the fact that you replied to a quote of mine?

As to "what caricature?": I guess I know my opinions better than you do. And I know that it is more nuanced than you let it appear. Even if it wasn't about only my opinion, but of all of those who criticized the US in this thread, I haven't see anybody giving more thumb-downs to the US than to Uzbekistan in this matter.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Neither do I. But that seems to be the gist of the arguement tying us to this.

It does tell quite a bit about the "wave of democracy" America is trying to spread. You don't see any double standard in what happened, nothing? Truly you're impressive.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Spiffor


The conclusion are a bit hasty don't you think?

Yes, it's certainly bad to see that innocent civilians are randomlessly murdered by US weapons, especially in a country totally controlled by the US, I guess that it wasn't even the local police/military that did it but special trained US marines.

Yup, it was a cunning scheme decided by Bush himself, coz everyone knows that he can't think and does stupid things.

I'm still trying to figure out why this is the US's fault.

It's painfully obvious. Since we have a base there, he's a puppet ruler and does nothing without our OK.

I can see at least two of mine here, so I think I'm entitled to answer.

I don't think that what happened was in any way acceptable and certainly not anything that was a way to implement democracy. What I opposed was that the the thread title implied that this was to blame on the US. It was so obviously that the purpose of the thread was to blame US for the incident instead of concern for those that suffered.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by BlackCat
I don't think that what happened was in any way acceptable and certainly not anything that was a way to implement democracy. What I opposed hat the the thread title implied that this was to blame on the US. It was so obviously that the purpose of the thread was to blame US for the incident instead of concern for those that suffered.

I can understand why you think so, but I think this thread wasn't really about saying "it's the US fault", but that it was more about pointing out the hypocrisy of the current US policy: it claims to fight for democracy while simultaneously backing such a regime (it's not like anybody is surprised by Karimov's violence).

The US hypocrisy is even more blatant in light of the current "democracy wave" it's sponsoring.

[ColdWizard]

Originally posted by Spiffor

The fact that your first reply to this thread was about the comparison between Uzbekistan and Georgia/Ukraine/Khyrgyzistan, which I did in the post that preceeded it immediately? Edit: also the fact that you replied to a quote of mine?

The second half of my first post was merely for comparison purposes to highlight the vileness of the Uzbekistan regime and the latter quote was an attempt to clarify such.

As to "what caricature?": I guess I know my opinions better than you do. And I know that it is more nuanced than you let it appear. Even if it wasn't about only my opinion, but of all of those who criticized the US in this thread, I haven't see anybody giving more thumb-downs to the US than to Uzbekistan in this matter.

I certainly would hope that you know your opinions better than I, they are yours after all. As for whether any alleged caricature(s) inaccurately reflect your views and/or the views of others, is that not part of the definition of a caricature?

And to switch gears, does anyone have handy the amounts of aid other countries (if any) supply to Uzbekistan and whether or not they've revoked aid as a result of this atrocity and if so, by how much?

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
1 tablespoon = 14.782 ccs

1 cup = 236.519 ccs

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/conversions.htm

Remember to sift your flour first.

Sift my flour? what for? that's what my mom used to do in Eastie times when we had commie flour, but the flour we get nowadays is pure. kept dry, it'll be smooth too so no need to I wouldn't see any need to sift it there?

[Az]

damn evil commie flour!

[Ecthy]

It was just that sometimes there'd be black little insects in there. You might remember from Gruzynia...

[Az]

Protein

[Sikander]

Originally posted by johncmcleod
Uzbekistan is US backed because it's a key energy source. I think it's more that than the US having a base there.

Yea, we're going to build that pipeline any day now. Any day now.

What are we building?

A pipeline!

When are we going to build it?

Real soon!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Do you have the rest of the ingredients? Do you know how to cook?

If he has the main brownie ingredient then these questions assume a smaller importance.

[Lonestar]

Doesn't Russia Maintain bases and troops in Uzbekistan as well as the US? Why aren't you guys jumping up and down Russia's ass as well?