Biggest Criminals in History

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


the intellectuals

JM

Sinces when were intellectuals a "geno"? Whiping out all of the intellectuals of a certain group is certainly horrible, but it does not constitute genocide.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Bosh


I am quite knowledgable about the specifics of Pol Pots atrocities. I'm just very very confused why so many people incorrectly label said atrocities genocide.

More importantly:

Do you denounce his actions?

.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by curtsibling


More importantly:

Do you denounce his actions?

.

Of course. I have Cambodian members of my extended family that went through absolute hell because of Pol Pot, but that doesn't have anything to do with wether his actions constituted genocide or not.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

He was trying to kill all Cambodians?

As said before, genocide is not only the try or even the will of full extermination. Pol Pot was certaily willing to exterminate part of his people, otherwise he wouldn't have done it.

[KrazyHorse]

As said before, genocide is not only the try or even the will of full extermination.

There's no such thing as partial extermination. You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

[KrazyHorse]

Utter destruction: annihilation, eradication, extinction, extinguishment, extirpation, liquidation, obliteration

[BeBMan]

From http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

[Bosh]

Originally posted by BeBro


As said before, genocide is not only the try or even the will of full extermination. Pol Pot was certaily willing to exterminate part of his people, otherwise he wouldn't have done it.

So killing a large portion of a certain ethnic group automatically constitutes genocide even when the person doing is has nothing against said ethnic group qua ethnic group?????? That makes no sense. Thats like saying that because the allies killed a lot of Germans in WW II that the allies committed genocide against the Germans. Actually it makes less sense than that, since Pol Pot was Cambodian.

[BeBMan]

Ask the UN

[Bosh]

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

That's idiotic. Under that definition every murder is genocide.

[KrazyHorse]

According to that definition if I kill a black man I'm guilty of genocide against blacks.



Pol Pot's aim was not destruction of the Cambodian people for the sake of destruction. He had other, political motives for killing what were, in his mind, a segment of the population which was standing in the way of his revolution.

That is the standard which needs to be applied.

[BeBMan]

OTOH, if only full extermination counts nothing would be unless you really kill really *all* of the group in question. Of course in some cases you can know about the intent to kill all, but in others you probably couldn't

[KrazyHorse]

Whereas Hitler was killing Jews because he thought Jews were the problem.

See the difference?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by BeBro
OTOH, if only full extermination counts nothing would be unless you really kill really *all* of the group in question. Of course in some cases you can know about the intent to kill all, but in others you probably couldn't

Intent is the backbone of the definition of genocide.

Killing Cambodians because they're cambodian is genocide when it reaches a large enough scale. Killing 2 million cambodians because they're guilty of crimes against the revolution or whatever is just mass murder.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by BeBro
OTOH, if only full extermination counts nothing would be unless you really kill really *all* of the group in question. Of course in some cases you can know about the intent to kill all, but in others you probably couldn't

A definition that makes sense would state that genocide is killing large numbers of a national/ethnical/racial (since when is whiping out a religious group genocide????) solely because they are members of said national/ethnical/racial group. Just killing them doesn't count or you fail to differentiate murder from genocide.