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  • #61
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Look at our agg subsidies and Iowa's position in the primaries means that ethanol subsidies ain't going anywhere.
    Ethanol needs subsidies to make sure that Big Oil does not try to crush it. Minnesota just passed a law that says all gasoline here mush have 20% ethanol in it by 2013. This is a PROPER subsidy, a subsidy to prevent a powerful industry from crushing it's compitition and help us get us less reliant on ME oil.

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    • #62
      Reintroduce? When did they ever go away, Oerdin?

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      • #63
        if big oil crushes it, its because its cheaper and more efficient and better for americas poor.
        "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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        • #64
          ethanol from corn is one of the least environmentally friendly oil alternatives. in fact, it is almost as bad.
          “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

          ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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          • #65
            Interesting graph
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            • #66
              Well, duh

              (However, it's true France is by far the argest agriproducer in Europe. The stroke of genius, for France, was to communitarize the subsidies, knowing that France would naturally get the lion's share of the benefits)
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              • #67
                Originally posted by pchang
                ethanol from corn is one of the least environmentally friendly oil alternatives. in fact, it is almost as bad.
                Huh?

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                • #68
                  Ethanol needs subsidies to make sure that Big Oil does not try to crush it.


                  But I thought the goverment was controlled by Big Oil, meaning the subsidies are controlled by Big Oil, which means Big Oil is subsidizing ethanol.



                  You people need to get your conspiracy theories in order.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by JohnT
                    But I thought the goverment was controlled by Big Oil, meaning the subsidies are controlled by Big Oil, which means Big Oil is subsidizing ethanol.



                    You people need to get your conspiracy theories in order.
                    I'm talking about my state government, not the feds. Us Minnesotans have not been lulled into sheepdom as badly as the rest of the country

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                    • #70


                      Governments are either in the control of Big Business or they're not. You can't have it both ways.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by JohnT


                        Governments are either in the control of Big Business or they're not. You can't have it both ways.
                        Farmers often overpower Big Business here, and we still have a strong Progressive streak. Minnesota has more co-ops than any other state if I remember right.

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