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[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned


It actually was in that article written by the German diplomat Braun I quoted in another thread. But as to the NYTimes, they have raised the issue themselves, and apologized for their bad coverage of the USSR.

(Yes, this is the 1930's.)

Ned,

You have to be smoking crack. The USSR did not get good press coverage in the US. Get off the pipe man!

[Ned]

Kid, the NYTimes itself has apologized for its whitewash.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
Kid, the NYTimes itself has apologized for its whitewash.

So what? I apologize for everything positive I've said about the capitalists. I've completely whitewashed what they did. They really were ****ers after all.

[Ned]

Kid, but you must understand that the propaganda of the NYTimes lead to FDR recognizing the USSR and the whole "Uncle Joe" lie.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
Kid, but you must understand that the propaganda of the NYTimes lead to FDR recognizing the USSR and the whole "Uncle Joe" lie.

Where's the proof Ned? This doesn't have the ring of truth to it.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Where's the proof Ned? This doesn't have the ring of truth to it.

You don't mean to suggest that the NYTimes has no influence on the thinking of the liberals in this country?

I will get chapter and verse if you wish.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned


You don't mean to suggest that the NYTimes has no influence on the thinking of the liberals in this country?

I will get chapter and verse if you wish.

Liberals are not communists Ned.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
As to the NYTimes, it greatly influenced American public opinion on Stalin prior to the war. While much of Europe was hostile to Stalin, we were the first country to recognize the USSR and began calling Stalin "Uncle Joe." The NYTimes never reported on the harsh conditions in the USSR caused by collectivization, nor the millions killed in the various purges. Instead they reported that Stalin was doing wonders, etc., etc.

Good old Ned, never lets facts get in his way. The U.S. did not recognize the USSR until the 1930s, many years after many European states already did so. Nor was it the NYT that led the US to recognize the USSR, but the fact that the U.S. came to terms with the fact that the USSR wasn't going to go away anytime soon. By the time we recognized them, they had existed for over 15 years. It's called giving in to reality.

The NYT didn't report on the problems of collectivisation in the USSR because until Kruschev's speech in 1956, no one knew about them. There were only rumors from White emigres, whose anti-Sovietism heavily clouded their reliability.

And the fact is, Stalin was doing wonders in the USSR. He took a 14th Century country and made it the most powerful country in the world, leading the U.S. in science in some areas. He may have been a butcher and a monster, but his reign wasn't entirely bad. Today, there is a strong movement in Russia to rehabilitate the monster.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Liberals are not communists Ned.

Perhaps not card carrying. But most share many of the goals of communism, particularly they love socialism.

You will note here kid that most of the leftists on this board defend communism against the US.

[chequita guevara]

leftist /= liberal, Ned.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ned


Perhaps not card carrying. But most share many of the goals of communism, particularly they love socialism.

You will note here kid that most of the leftists on this board defend communism against the US.

Capitalists have their own self-congratulatory history, and communists have their own self-congratulatory history.

[chequita guevara]

Stop sitting on the fence and take sides, you liberal weenie!

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
leftist /= liberal, Ned.

True, leftist is intended to include liberals, commies, anarchists and whatever.

Che, how would you classify the following:

1) China today.

2) Dear Leader's paradise?

[chequita guevara]

1) Scary
2) Makes #1 look pleasant.

[Hueij]

If Ned is allowed to throw liberals, socialists and communiists on the same heap (dunno if that is corect English, I'm just a simple Eurokom) can I call Ned a Fascist?