Spain poised to be third country to legalize gay marriage

[Heresson]

Don't be silly. Childrens have been brought up by two-sex couples since we were apes, with some exceptions like single parents or grand-parents. Raising children my same-sex couples is something very new.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Heresson
What are the benefits of it?
And to be precise, I've ment procreation.

Encouraging stable, monogamous relationships for gay couples that aren't considered "second class" relationships is a good thing for society.

Anyways, gay couples can't have kids.

Which isn't a requirement of a heterosexual marriage, either. I can't recall being at any wedding ceremony, no matter what the denomination, where having kids was mentioned at all. Indeed, the focus on the ceremony is on the loving bond between the people getting hitched.

Marriage as a government-sanctioned institution makes no mention of a child prerequisite, either. This is just an arbitrary rule thrown up by bigots, since gay couples can and do raise well-adjusted children. The fact that they can't biologically reproduce together is irrelevant, since the same is true for many straight couples.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Heresson
Infertile people are exception from a rule.
Gay couples can't have kids - that's a rule without exceptions.

But how about marriage? If it's all about procreation then infertile people should definitely not be allowed to marry either. They would be just as "useless" to the society. Or do you suggest that gay couples are simply less valuable than childless/infertile heterosexual couples?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Heresson
Don't be silly. Childrens have been brought up by two-sex couples since we were apes, with some exceptions like single parents or grand-parents. Raising children my same-sex couples is something very new.

Doesn't mean it couldn't work though?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Heresson
Don't be silly. Childrens have been brought up by two-sex couples since we were apes, with some exceptions like single parents or grand-parents. Raising children my same-sex couples is something very new.

Wow, now you get to spread your ignorance of facts to biology.

Actually, judging by our simian relatives and the archaeological evidence we have from early times, children were likely raised by "the village," and it was a communal task. Males likely had little to do with raising the kids at all, since their job was primarily to hunt and screw.

Interestingly enough, many Native American tribes had prominent positions for gay men as child-rearers. They were regarded as sacred in many cultures and were the male influence that stayed with the women in children while the men went off on hunts.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Encouraging stable, monogamous relationships for gay couples that aren't considered "second class" relationships is a good thing for society.

how?0

Which isn't a requirement of a heterosexual marriage, either. I can't recall being at any wedding ceremony, no matter what the denomination, where having kids was mentioned at all. Indeed, the focus on the ceremony is on the loving bond between the people getting hitched.

Marriage as a government-sanctioned institution makes no mention of a child prerequisite, either. This is just an arbitrary rule thrown up by bigots, since gay couples can and do raise well-adjusted children. The fact that they can't biologically reproduce together is irrelevant, since the same is true for many straight couples.

Again, for those it's an exception, something that can be cured or omitted, for gays it's a rule.
And yes, children is what marriages are for. If it's not mentioned, it's because it's obvious.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Heresson
how?

Um, by reducing promiscuity and instability? That was self-evident.

Again, for those it's an exception, something that can be cured or omitted, for gays it's a rule.

It's great that you just dismiss it as an "exception," but give no rationale as to why it's a tolerable one yet gays aren't. It's just arbitrary bigotry.

As for it being "cured," if you mean by surrogates, that defeats your argument, since that's often how gays have kids.

And yes, children is what marriages are for. If it's not mentioned, it's because it's obvious.

Originally, marriages were for property and treaties. Marriages today (theoretically) are about love, first and foremost. Hence no mention of kids in wedding ceremonies. This notion that it's all about kids is unsubstantiated bull****.

At any rate, science may soon preclude this argument, as dumb as it is. Doctors have developed techniques whereby same-sex couples can have kids that are genetically related to both parents. Of course, I don't see why that matters vis-a-vis the legitimacy or worth of the parents' relationship.

[Bill3000]

Again, for those it's an exception, something that can be cured or omitted, for gays it's a rule.
And yes, children is what marriages are for. If it's not mentioned, it's because it's obvious.

This has not been the case for roughly the past 100 yearts, as marriage has changed from one of procreation (Which really isn't religious in intent) to that of love. Did you know that the term "heterosexual" originally meant having sexual relations for something other than procreation?

Oh, and please don't tell me you think homosexuality can be "cured". If so, then you pretty much lost all credibility right there.

[Whaleboy]

The problem is acceptation of equality between gay marriage and straight one, and they simply are not equal.

Your ENTIRE argument rests upon the assumption that a marriage is just a baby machine. I humbly submit that your assumption is bull****.

Childrens have been brought up by two-sex couples since we were apes

Ha! You believe in evolution!

[Combat Ingrid]

[BlackCat]

One more coming out of the closet declaring himself a darwinist

[Spiffor]

Aren't the Catholics supposed to accept evolution? I thought only the diehard fundy protestants believed that the Genesis was to be taken litteraly?

[Niessuh]

Re: Spain poised to be third country to legalize gay marriage

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I was quite astonished to read this, given Spain's rather staunch Catholic history. That such an overwhelming margin of the population supports it is even more surprising.

That is because Spain probably is the most harmed by the catholic church, since the beginning until yesterday

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Besides I think it would be VERY VERY hard for the child to get accepted by others. That's ofc not a problem with adoption, but with the tolerance of the rest, but still you can't change the whole world in one day...

Sure, of course a major consensus is needed in order to improve things, but you can't change the tolerance of the rest if the society never advance.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Aren't the Catholics supposed to accept evolution? I thought only the diehard fundy protestants believed that the Genesis was to be taken litteraly?

Exactly.

That is because Spain probably is the most harmed by the catholic church, since the beginning until yesterday

[Whaleboy]

That is because Spain probably is the most harmed by the catholic church, since the beginning until yesterday

, what about JPII's biological nazism in Africa?

Though Poland's catholic education system makes me cringe, every time I look east of Germany it's like giving birth.