I wonder if we sold our anti-artillery radar system to the Israelis? If they have that then they don't really need aircraft to respond to mortar fire. All they need is to plug the co-ordinates into their own artillery. Supposedly the system is accurate enough that there's a high probability of hitting a target within the first minute of counter-battery fire.
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Originally posted by GePap
The real basic difference though are Israel's 200 air-delivered fission bombs vs. Russia's 6000 Fusion devices on intercontinental ballistic missiles.
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Originally posted by Lancer
Drake, you REALLY need to start a thread about that.
GePap, they just need to make an alliance with someone like the Azerbijohnies. Then they just sail over in regular freighters and hit Russia in their soft moslem underbelly.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Lancer
"Lancer, if I were Israel, I would draw a line in the sand now that Russia is selling missles to Syria. No more or else."
With who? Russia? Syria?
A couple of armored cavalry regiments, one opposite Syria and one in the Sinai. Then let the Russians sell what they may. Really Ned, there's no stopping the arms trade. If they don't get it from the Russians they'll get it from a real enemy, like France.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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russia under Putin HAS reached out to Israel, and evidently does see Israel as important. Why?
1. Israel can sell high technology, which Russia needs.
2. Russia wants to be influential in the mideast region. The ability to have an influence on the peace process adds to that influence - and to have such influence Russia must have a relationship with Israel. If the US is the only country with influence on Israel, and if the arabs want a settlement with Israel, then the US is whom they must turn to.
3. Russia and Israel cooperate against terrorism.
Russia will of course balance this against their economic need to sell weapons, and their desire to maintain influence in Syria, which may be more important to them.
Note - while an Israeli-Russian was is fantasy, it should be noted that Israel DOES have decent relations with many ex-Soviet muslim republics. Of course it helps that their leaders are generally secularists."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
Note - while an Israeli-Russian was is fantasy, it should be noted that Israel DOES have decent relations with many ex-Soviet muslim republics. Of course it helps that their leaders are generally secularists.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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BTW, we already have imposed US sanctions on Syria. What we need is for the UN to step up to the plate and go to bat for peace.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by Oerdin
There are at most 10 million Jews in Israel. They don't have the man power to be anything but a regional power.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Originally posted by Ned
BTW, we already have imposed US sanctions on Syria. What we need is for the UN to step up to the plate and go to bat for peace.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Originally posted by Ned
WTF does this mean? It is my observation that secularlists generally object to Israel per se because it is a "Jewish" state."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, there are only about five million, plus three million Palestinians in Israel and the OTs. There are more Jews in the US than Israel."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No, Hezbollah. I couldn't remember their name, but Siro remembered for me. Whle Syria does aid Hezbollah, they Hezbollah attacks from areas formerly occupied by Israel, not areas occupied by Syria.
As for Israeli's air threat being somewhat neutralized, oh well. Maybe they'll have to negotiate for peace with Syria and consider returning the Golan.
Originally posted by Spiffor
So in short, the Russians are doing something bad, because they help preventing the Israelis for bombing however they please?
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Israel's nuclear arsenal, not to mention the superior training and skill of the IDF compared to the Syrians will assure that Israel can act any time it deems that it needs to do so, and there won't be **** the Syrians can do about it.
Yet I have to disagree.
The whole point of a nuclear arsenal is not using it, especially for small scale reprisals over terrorist attacks. Or do you suggest we nuke them the next time Hezbullah attacks?
Israel uses air superiority for two purposes:
1) a threat of small-scale immediate reprisal for a Syrian policy of allowing Hezbullah to operate freely against Israel
2) a strategy of aerial superiority in a scenario of war.
The said arms shipment would hurt this balance.
Furthermore, objectively - it would increase the chances of continued Syrian support for Hezbullah's agressiveness without fear of Israeli reprisal.
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@ Thread.
Nobody gives a **** about Syria having the missiles. It's who Syria gives these weapons out ( in a perfectly defensive manner, of course!) is what the problem.
Generally, I say we should **** up Syria real hard, as much as you can. They're commiting direct agressions against us, like, for example They're sending Syrian mercenary snipers (Which are very well-trained, probably better than the Israeli snipers) to fight with the terrorists in Gaza, for example.
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