Total and Utter Devastation or how i learned how to stop worrying and get revenge.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg

PH, you quote me and you don´t read what I write? No, it´s not alright dammit. But the ends doesn´t justify the means IMO. And why do people insist that MRT was given a STD when he contracted it himself by not using a condom? That´s just bending the truth to suit ones own arguments.

A condom is essential if constantly having promiscuous sex. However if in a relationship (and that is the key word here) there are forms of contraception that are far preferable, such as the pill...in a monogamous relationship barrier contraception is not a necessity providing you trust your partner...and that is the issue...

[MRT144]

people already thought i got what i deserved before this. i dont see the harm in that case.

[Agathon]

Aggie, please... A dog can�t consent that�s the difference.

That argument doesn't work. A dog doesn't consent to other dogs, but we don't go around stopping dogs from screwing.

Try again.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That's an awfully Victorian attitude to take. Sexual misconduct should be punished by having your future destroyed? No! If you screw around on your partner, you get punished by losing your partner and any support they may have given you. That's it. Cheating on someone isn't a crime in the civilized world. You don't destroy someone's future because they cheated on you. You dump them or you work things out.

"Modern" morality requires a considerable degree of forebearance by the human heart. Its not clear to me that this works for everyone. For all the pain that traditional values have caused and still cause, Im not sure that the modern alternatives dont cause just as much. Some folks can relatively easily get over breakups, betrayals, own or parental divorces, etc. Some can't.

Judging by MRT's posted reactions, he just MIGHT be the sort of person who'd do better in an environment that encouraged delay of sexual activity by age, and to a more explicitly commited relationship (whether that has to be "marriage" I dont know) and one witha more traditional view toward the involvement of outsiders. I get the sense that MRT would, however, see such an environment as prudish, religious, and other things hed see as negative. While Im more inclined to respect the wisdom of individual choice than some, I wonder if we have created a culture that has overly stigmatized certain traditional kinds of behavior and so hurt many people (I would quickly note that we still overly stigmatize some nontraditional behaviors, notably homosexuality)

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg


Of course you have to take responsibility for you actions, I haven´t claimed otherwise. But that is up to the one who made the initial error. No one can take it upon himself to "teach someone else a lesson". Then he is just as guilty as the one who made the error. And you can´t really compare screwing up at work and screwing another guy. It´s two completely different things, when love and feeling and sex and that crap is present it ****s up everything else...

Different situations, same concept. If you f**k up you never know what could go wrong...

I amazed at the naivety expressed here considering how naive people seem to like me out to be about matters of the heart...

[Zoid]

I wonder if those who so stubbornly defends MRT are reliving past traumas?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg
I wonder if those who so stubbornly defends MRT are reliving past traumas?

No, but I'm sure those who are defending the porn-star cheating slut are.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


A condom is essential if constantly having promiscuous sex. However if in a relationship (and that is the key word here) there are forms of contraception that are far preferable, such as the pill...in a monogamous relationship barrier contraception is not a necessity providing you trust your partner...and that is the issue...

Dude, they were having a ****ing threesome with some sleezoid at a porn shoot. What the **** did they think they would get? Milk and cookies?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
in a monogamous relationship barrier contraception is not a necessity providing you trust your partner...and that is the issue...

No, that is not the issue. They where never in a monogamous relationship. The two of them got the STD during a threesome.

[Agathon]

I wonder if those who so stubbornly defends MRT are reliving past traumas?

Nope. Nothing like this has ever happened to me. Then again, I'm like Socrates: I have a daimonion that tends to ward me off doing ruinous stuff.

But I stand by my position. If this person was a decent, trustworthy person who had made an honest mistake, then what MRT did would have been wrong. On the other hand, if she's just no good and manipulative, then she got what she deserved.

The best lesson that anyone can learn in life is that there are decent people, and there are crapbags, and that only a fool treats them the same way.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Agathon

Aggie, please... A dog can�t consent that�s the difference.

That argument doesn't work. A dog doesn't consent to other dogs, but we don't go around stopping dogs from screwing.

Try again.

Now you´re just being silly. We´re talking consentual sex between adult humans here. Not the kind of sordid canine sex you´re filming as a "hobby"

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher

No, but I'm sure those who are defending the porn-star cheating slut are.

It's funny to me that you defend MRT, but would go ballistis if someone told your family of your sex life.

But of course you'll say "That's different, [insert argument here]"

When the only way it's actually different is you being outed to your family happens to you.

ACK!

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Agathon

The best lesson that anyone can learn in life is that there are decent people, and there are crapbags, and that only a fool treats them the same way.

So why are you sympathizing with MRT?

[MRT144]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Judging by MRT's posted reactions, he just MIGHT be the sort of person who'd do better in an environment that encouraged delay of sexual activity by age, and to a more explicitly commited relationship (whether that has to be "marriage" I dont know) and one witha more traditional view toward the involvement of outsiders. I get the sense that MRT would, however, see such an environment as prudish, religious, and other things hed see as negative. While Im more inclined to respect the wisdom of individual choice than some, I wonder if we have created a culture that has overly stigmatized certain traditional kinds of behavior and so hurt many people (I would quickly note that we still overly stigmatize some nontraditional behaviors, notably homosexuality)

I would definitely agree with all that you said. Im not at the point right now where i think i should have a serious commited relationship. I need to focus on school and becoming a productive member of society.

I definitely agree with the assessment that i dont like prudish, uptight girls, but i think i might be changing on this. I had a girlfriend more than a year ago that was very unsexual etc and then i went to the oppisite extreme.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tuberski
It's funny to me that you defend MRT, but would go ballistis if someone told your family of your sex life.

But of course you'll say "That's different, [insert argument here]"

When the only way it's actually different is you being outed to your family happens to you.

ACK!

You're comparing being gay to choosing to do porn and choosing to cheat on an SO?