Taxachusetts wrongly named? - Tax burden per US state

[Jon Miller]

I agree with Imran :shock: (although his statement is definitely a simplification, but neither is for the people or common man...)

Jon Miller

[Imran Siddiqui]

although his statement is definitely a simplification

Well, of course, but the point is that neither is for the people. NO political party, no matter how Populist or Communist a party is, they are for themselves and not for the 'common man'. It's the corrolary to the all politicians are scum theory.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Yup. It comes down to survival and promotion of the group entity ultimately outweigh and supplant the original intended goals of the group.

I can't think of a single instance where this wasn't the case be it orgaized religion, political parties, communism, unions, etc.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
One is aligned with the Christian Right and is for economic liberalization. The other is aligned with the Unions and is for greater governmental control.

Neither is for the people. Neither is for the common man.

(and if you think the Unions are 'for the people', you are seriously deluded).

Let's see...unions obtained 40 hour work weeks, health and safety standards, pensions, healthcare, vacations with pay, overtime pay, the family leave act -- yep, sounds like they don't care a thing about common people.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Let's see...unions obtained 40 hour work weeks, health and safety standards, pensions, healthcare, vacations with pay, overtime pay, the family leave act -- yep, sounds like they don't care a thing about common people.

Unions also steal from pension plans, take dues from ordinary members and don't listen to them in spending it, being fronts for the mob, being more crooked than a San Francisco townhouse, preventing meaningful reform to protect their own asses (ie, Teachers Unions) ... etc, etc. Unions also, almost to a tee, oppose free trade, which benefits the common man more than most other things.

Sorry, bub. Unions aren't for the common man. I'd even say corporations are more for the common man these days, especially when you take the Teachers' Unions into account.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Unions also steal from pension plans

That's right, there were a couple of scandals forty or fifty years ago, weren't there. I compliment you on your great memory.

, take dues from ordinary members and don't listen to them in spending it,

Sorry, you're wrong. Unions need a vote before they can spend money.

being fronts for the mob, being more crooked than a San Francisco townhouse,

I'm trying to figure how how the Teachers' Union is a front for the mob. Maybe the smuggle pencils across the borders?

preventing meaningful reform to protect their own asses (ie, Teachers Unions) ... etc, etc.

Yeah, I hear people all the time complaining about those blasted overpaid school teachers. BTW: "reform" of what?!? Teachers are some of the hardest working, most underpaid professions around.

Unions also, almost to a tee, oppose free trade, which benefits the common man more than most other things.

Laying of American in order to export their jobs to countries like Haiti with child labor or to China with prison labor benefits the common man...how again?

Sorry, bub. Unions aren't for the common man. I'd even say corporations are more for the common man these days

Remind me again of how the common man benefitted from Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia, Lincoln Savings & Loan, etc.?

[Frankychan]

Hawaii 11.50%

They fail to mention that the cost of living here only adds to the burden. High taxes, high COL.....ah, it might be paradise but it's expensive as a mofo to live here.

No wonder there's an exodus of Hawaii-born ppl moving to the continent.....I wanna move to California or Indiana. (Surf or Family).

[Atahualpa]

Ah I thought you were talking about a _burden_ here...

[Frankychan]

shoosh..no one needs to know.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Let's see...unions obtained 40 hour work weeks, health and safety standards, pensions, healthcare, vacations with pay, overtime pay, the family leave act -- yep, sounds like they don't care a thing about common people.

I thought that the 40 hour work week, safety standards, overtime etc. were brought about by the progressive movement a century ago. And I notice that you didn't mention that unions have destroyed almost every industry where they were prevalent, except the government where outsourcing is verbotten.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Zkribbler

Yeah, I hear people all the time complaining about those blasted overpaid school teachers. BTW: "reform" of what?!? Teachers are some of the hardest working, most underpaid professions around.

They aren't overpaid if you look at the raw material (education majors are often the stupidest on a given campus) or the result of their labor (U.S. pays the most for education and gets mediocre to poor results from it).

[Dinner]

I love the lengths some people will go to avoid admiting the obvious. Republicans favor big business and Democrats favor the small guy.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Sikander


They aren't overpaid if you look at the raw material (education majors are often the stupidest on a given campus) or the result of their labor (U.S. pays the most for education and gets mediocre to poor results from it).

Education is a major?

Teaching sucks hard. I wouldn't do it for twice the money, but if you cut teachers pay any further education is going to be even more ****ed up.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Democrats favor the small guy.

So do Communists

[Atahualpa]

Whereas Fascists....