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  • #1

    Conclave

    OK, we haven't buried JP yet, but it's an interesting subject. Who will be the next pope?

    The WaPo has profiles of some of the supposed candidates.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22639-2005Apr3.html


    Lots of good guys although some are fringe left economics types (Maradiaga) and some are uninspiring, at least for me (Ratzinger).

    One cardinal that they didn't mention was Cardinal Ortega of Cuba. Does anybody have information on him? I understand that he's a dissident and has relatives in Florida. Had a dust-up with immigration authorities in Florida recently. Age 68, so he won't be around forever -- maybe good after the long reign of JP. Transition from Marxism, etc.
    Last edited by DanS; April 4, 2005, 13:39.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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    IMHO it depends on what the majority of the Vatican wishes.

    If they want a transitional pope with a short reign, Ratzinger has dgood chances,
    as he has a very strong influence within the Vatican, is already 77, is very conservative and was very clos to JP II.

    If they want a longer Papacy, they will very likely elect someone who is much younger, maybe under 70 and, considering the influence of the italian cardinals might probably come from italy
    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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    • #3
      Do the Italian cardinals really have much influence? I haven't quantified it before.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #4
        They're all knocking on a bit though, aren't they?
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          Do you mean that they're all old? If so, then of course.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            I'm think either someone named John, Leon, Paul, or Ringo
            Monkey!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DanS
              Do the Italian cardinals really have much influence? I haven't quantified it before.
              Well, at least they have the largest number of Cardinals compared to all other countries.
              AFAIK they have 21 Cardinals while Continents like Africa or South America just have 12 Cardinals each (Europe [including Italy] AFAIK has 60 Cardinals].
              They may not be able to dictate the conclave for themselves, but it sounds to me like they are a strong factor within the conclave.
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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              • #8
                I hope noncatholics like myself are welcome in this thread as long as we are at least as respectful as the catholics...

                There was one Italian they mentioned on TV who spoke many languages, he sounded interesting. I'm curious to know which languages they are: Obviously Italian and Latin, I would guess Spanish, I don't remember what the number was.

                I figure now it's bound to be an Italian, although previously I thought Latin American.

                Which individual country has the most Catholics? USA? Mexico?

                I seem to have misunderstood about where Popes get their new names from. I had thought there was a list that had been written centuries ago, and that there were only one or two names left, and that when they're used up that would be time for the Second Coming. But now it sounds like the new Pope chooses the name, and if it's JP3 he'll follow the ways of JP2, but if it's John##, he's a reformer.

                It sounds like the new guy has to be fairly old, kind of like in my church.

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                • #9
                  The one who spoke many languages is Maradiaga, who I mentioned above as a fringe leftist on economics. He's not marxist, but he speaks in the code of the anti-globalization folks.

                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22030-2005Apr2.html


                  Regarding the country with the largest number of catholics, that would be Brazil.

                  Regarding the names, the pope choses a new name based upon whatever criteria he sees fit. Some reasons might be that the name was the name of his predecessor in the papcy, his spiritual hero, or mentor. According to Wikipedia, the taking of a new name as Pope began in 535.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    In that case I hope it's not Maradiaga. Not that it should make a huge difference to me...

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                    • #11
                      Italians are now less then 1/5 of the conclave
                      "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

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                      • #12
                        Brazil has the most Catholics, though I might add that many Brazilians practice more than one religion. Many Brazilian Catholics are also pagans and/or Protestants.

                        There will be 117 Cardinals participating in the conclave. Fifity-eight will be from Europe, 12 from the US and the rest from Latin America, Africa, Oceana, and Asia.
                        "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                        • #13
                          I like the Argentine but he's a Jesuit so not much chance.

                          Ironically, many catholics are crying out for a Pope not like this one. No more media junky ultra orthodox authoritarian centralisers please. The church has rotted from within under JPII. The power of the Vatican needs curbing and democratising. There is very strong feeling around about this.

                          It seems the Cardinals feel the same way, quite a paradox.

                          Be prepared either for a surprise choice or a transitional figure.
                          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                          • #14
                            how long till a new pope is appointed?
                            When you find yourself arguing with an idiot, you might want to rethink who the idiot really is.
                            "It can't rain all the time"-Eric Draven
                            Being dyslexic is hard work. I don't even try anymore.

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                            • #15
                              POPIN AIN'T EASY!
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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