Xbox being pulled from the marketplace, production halted...

[Asher]

Nintendo is ****ed. The PSP is going to eat away their cashcow marketshare, just like the PSX did for home consoles.

[Nostromo]

That pet-a-dog game on the DS is a killa app...

[child of Thor]

The gamecube has grown on me. And its all my gf ever plays these days. I think as long as kids and girls want to play computer games, nintendo will survive.

Everyone else just does hyper violence for teenage boys it seems.

[Verto]

Originally posted by child of Thor
The gamecube has grown on me. And its all my gf ever plays these days. I think as long as kids and girls want to play computer games, nintendo will survive.

Everyone else just does hyper violence for teenage boys it seems.

Everyone else does everything else outside of the Mario and Zelda realm: good RPGs, such as KOTOR: racing games like NFS, Gran Turismo, etc.

Nintendo seems to depend solely on suckering people to buy constant sequels to Zelda or Pokemon; if they have any decent games, I sure don't see any articles about them on my gaming websites.

People grew up, and Nintendo didn't keep pace with them. Now, their market is predominantly focused on teenyboppers and under, whereas Sony and Microsoft both compete in the market that matters: mid-late teenagers on up, since they release a variety of games.

[ixnay]

Originally posted by Verto
Nintendo seems to depend solely on suckering people to buy constant sequels to Zelda or Pokemon; if they have any decent games, I sure don't see any articles about them on my gaming websites.

Resident Evil? Eternal Darkness? Warioware? Pikmin? Metroid Prime?

Any of those ring any bells?

[Asher]

Originally posted by ixnay
Resident Evil? Eternal Darkness? Warioware? Pikmin? Metroid Prime?

Any of those ring any bells?

I'm not a fan of any of those, the better of the bunch (Resident Evil) is hitting PS2 this year.

The other four sold like crap, too.

[Verto]

Originally posted by ixnay


Resident Evil? Eternal Darkness? Warioware? Pikmin? Metroid Prime?

Any of those ring any bells?

I've heard of Resident Evil, but I do not really connect it to GameCube.; is it a major title for them? It seemed to be more of a Sony game in my mind.

What is Eternal Darkness?

Warioware? I know nothing other than it appears to be connected to Marioverse.

Pikmin? Is this some kind of anime?

Metroid Prime I have heard of. It didn't strike me as a major hit, certainly not like what Xbox scored with Halo and Halo 2.

[Verto]

And to illustrate what I mean, here are the top ten console games for 2004, according to GameSpot and NPD.


1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2) - 5.1 million
2. Halo 2 (Xbox) - 4.2 million
3. Madden NFL 2005 (PS2) - 3.2 million
4. ESPN NFL 2K5 (PS2) - 1.5 million
5. Need for Speed Underground 2 (PS2) - 1.4 million
6. Pokémon FireRed (with adapter) (GBA) - 1.2 million
7. NBA Live 2005 (PS2) - 1.2 million
8. Spider-Man 2 (PS2) - 1.1 million
9. Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) - 1.1 million
10. ESPN NFL 2K5 (Xbox)- 1.0 million

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/01/18/news_6116499.html

Even Nintendo seems to recognize GameCube is a sinking rock, considering how much they emphasize their handheld sales.

[ixnay]

I agree completely. Nintendo's stubbornness bit them in the ass with the N64 and they failed to adapt quickly enough with the GCN and lost crucial third-party developers.

I am hoping at least that they'll be able to turn things around with the Revolution; I've read reports that they've managed to dramatically reduce development costs for it which should hopefully lead to more third-party support.

[Verto]

What kind of online network does Nintendo have, either now or planned? Xbox Live seems to have set the standard for online gaming in the console world; PS2 Online doesn't seem to be anything spectacular, but at least it's there.

I think the ability to play online with ease will be, or should be, a determining factor in who buys what console.

[Asher]

The problem is, everyone's claiming to have dramatically reduced development costs.

Sony's seems to be an outright lie, the Cell will be a beast to develop for.

MS already had the position of "easiest console to develop for" from this generation, and this whole XNA business seems to even take it farther. MS Visual Studio is regarded as the best IDE and debugger in the field, CodeWarrior (what Sony recommends) is horrible in comparison...don't know what IDE Nintendo uses.

Plus MS' game-making API is extremely well documented and many people are extremely well-versed in it already, another huge advantage of the DirectX-based XNA...

It looks like MS will have the "ease of development" thing going for them (their first and primary business was development languages/tools, remember), and Nintendo being 2nd again.

Since most companies will look at the "primary" platform (probably PS2) and perhaps one secondary, it looks like next gen won't be so kind to Nintendo either.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Verto
Xbox Live seems to have set the standard for online gaming in the console world; PS2 Online doesn't seem to be anything spectacular, but at least it's there.

I think the ability to play online with ease will be, or should be, a determining factor in who buys what console.

I completely agree, getting this right is crucial to winning the next stage and X-Box looks sound.

I am not a console nut - how does the PS2's online MP compare in functionality and cost?

[Frankychan]

In an article I read in Game Informer, they said that the old CEO of Nintendo is against internet play because, to paraphrase, "the internet is just a fad" and "gamers don't want to play against gamers online".

The old CEO (can't find my old G.I. issue) is too stuck on everyone sitting together in the living room and playing against e/o rather than online play.

I got a ps2 and an x-box and I've been playing the box for a long time now......playing Star Wars battlegrounds.

(gearing up for Ep 3)......anyway....

Carry on.

[Kuciwalker]

An online SSB would be cool...

[Frankychan]

Show us this 'the SSB'. What is this?