Sharon:1 Democracy:0

[Az]

You mean Palestinian security forces would be working with Israel to try to prevent terrorist attacks if Arafat were still in power?

ahahahahahah.

Ok, let's get one thing straight: palestinian security forces don't prevent ****. The only thing they may do is try to reason with the *******s. That's, in itself, is effective, but only for now.

second: This has nothing to do with the disengagement plan. The palestinians are getting this as a cookie for being good. After all, the plan was adopted when the palestinians were effectively pacified by steel.

You're right.

Can Likud gain any seats? Do they risk losing some back to Shas?

In an election?

current polls show that the status quo stays, however, this is only if Likud doesn't fall apart on the things that will happen during the actual ... "disengagement". If that happens, **** hits the fan, and if it happens before an election... well, it's anyone's guess.

You must remember that Likud is a brandname. If people will actively pursuit the discussion of what that brandname means during an election campaign, either Likud will be dead, and Sharon will be in somewhat of a mess, or Likud will be dead, and Sharon will win.

in any case, an election now will bring the death of Likud. ( another reason why I support an election now )

[muxec]

I vote Shinui next time. They fulfiled at least two of their pre-election promises. Out of a lot but more than any other party. Previous time I was below 18, but I would vote either Likud, Shinui or Israel Beiteinu but not Avoda as socialists suck. And one who got Novel prize with Arafat does not deserve my vote.


In school my Tanah teacher was ultra-centrist. She said that we must leave Gaza by plan of ultra-lefts and than declare ultimatum by plan of ultra rights and after next terroristic act completely destroy Gaza and Ramallah by ultra-right plan.

[Az]

The israeli papers i see (JP, Haaretz for the most part) seem to indicate that Sharon has kept the Likud backbenchers in line cause theyre afraid of an election. Oddly they seem to indicate that Shas AND Shinui share that fear (no i havent heard that NRP or National Union fear an election - sorry if i indicated otherwise) Am i misled?

I wouldn't trust Haaretz on this. Haaretz has a very strong political agenda. Extreme anti-zionism, Extremely "pro-bussiness".

Sharon kept the backbenchers inline because they didn't have an active leadership. Beebs ****ed up, again.

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Sharon:1 Democracy:0

Originally posted by muxec
And again Ariel Sharon won. TOday knesset voted 39 for, 72 against.

Sharon won a vote, therefore democracy lost?

[Ramo]

How has the Sasson Report changed things wrt the politics of settlements?

[Az]

How has the Sasson Report changed things wrt the politics of settlements?

Please elaborate on your question.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Azazel


Ok, let's get one thing straight: palestinian security forces don't prevent ****. The only thing they may do is try to reason with the *******s. That's, in itself, is effective, but only for now.

That's not what I've been reading. While the Palestinian Authority hasnt done a thing to remove the terrorist infrastructure, allowing the terrorist groups to rebuild, and in some cases, there are reports that part of the PA may still be aiding them. there are also reports that they have thwarted a number of attacks.

in any case, an election now will bring the death of Likud. ( another reason why I support an election now )

Who would be able to build a coalition if Likud loses power?

[Odin]

Re: Re: Sharon:1 Democracy:0

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Sharon won a vote, therefore democracy lost?

Only in the minds of Orthodox Jews who think it is their God-given right to live in Gaza.

[Az]

That's not what I've been reading. While the Palestinian Authority hasnt done a thing to remove the terrorist infrastructure, allowing the terrorist groups to rebuild, and in some cases, there are reports that part of the PA may still be aiding them. there are also reports that they have thwarted a number of attacks.

"thwarting" is a vague enough word for anything...

Who would be able to build a coalition if Likud loses power?

As I said, I don't even see the numbers of seats in such scenario, thus, I can't possibly answer your question.

[Edan]

Re: Re: Re: Sharon:1 Democracy:0

Originally posted by Odin


Only in the minds of Orthodox Jews who think it is their God-given right to live in Gaza.

Azazel is an Orthodox Jew who thinks it's their God-given right to live in Gaza?

Originally posted by Azazel
[q]
I just loved that piece of legislation because it's about time we had some more direct democracy here.

[muxec]

Democratic state must rely on referendum in controversial cases!

Me is centrist.

[Odin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sharon:1 Democracy:0

Originally posted by Edan


Azazel is an Orthodox Jew who thinks it's their God-given right to live in Gaza?

I was talking about the religious nut-head settlers who are asking for a referendum. The settlers will loose, referendum or no referendum. The majority supports the pull-out; the settlers they are just trying to delay it.

[Ramo]

Please elaborate on your question.

Just a general question. If gov't support for illegal outposts as documented by Sasson - granting of permits, funding, etc. (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/550150.html) is drawing away popular support from the settlers to any degree.

[Edan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sharon:1 Democracy:0

Originally posted by Odin


I was talking about the religious nut-head settlers who are asking for a referendum. The settlers will loose, referendum or no referendum. The majority supports the pull-out; the settlers they are just trying to delay it.

Sure, but some people who support the pull-out support the referendum because it would be more democratic, and possibly because it would given Sharon a bigger mandate (or smaller, if the result is close) for the plan.

[Az]

It's kind of hard to see it influencing public support because the basic facts in the report were well-known for quite some time, and you'd have to be really a "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" to not know what's going on. Still, the report is very important because is qualitative and accurate in it's nature.