Sharon:1 Democracy:0

[lord of the mark]

oh, dear, this thread is gone.

Reminder - when commenting on Israeli politics here, any deviation from poll results, knesset coalitions, etc to YOUR preferred solution to the regional issues, will result in one more generic mideast flamewar.

[KrazyHorse]

On the contrary, I'm always happy when somebody proposes something so morally repugnant that he exposes himself as a massive piece of ****.

[Az]

Well, I don't see anything morally repugnant about punishing people that support and are proud of terrorist acts. (While the punishment is way off, of course)

[KrazyHorse]

"Support"?

Funny, I don't see him mentioning any proof of conspiracy needed.

Or do you mean moral support?

People cannot be punished for the actions of others.

[Az]

Or do you mean moral support?

People cannot be punished for the actions of others.

Since they're punished not for the act of murder ( If they were, we'd see life sentences ) but for supporting it morally, I don't see how they're being punished for the actions of other if they were, say, awarded a trip for 2 years of recreation and hard labor.

[lord of the mark]

Ok, so Shas voted AGAINST the referendum. This despite the presumption that Likud pulled votes from Shas in the last election, and so a new election with a divided Likud should be GOOD for Shas. Of course Shas is buyable, but shouldnt even the corrupt be rational? Why shouldnt they expect to be able to pull off even a better budget deal after an election? Are there schools, etc so close to bankruptcy they cant chance even a few months without subsidies? Are they afraid Sharon will pull a rabbit out of his hat (do a magic trick, for those unfamiliar with US idiom) and govern without them, even with Likud divided? Or do they think a post election govt could dispense with them?

[lord of the mark]

its also claimed Shinui was bought - with what? what does shinui have that would require subsidy?

[KrazyHorse]

So you think that people should be punished for their beliefs even if they take no action to support these beliefs, nor speak publically in a manner which can be considered incitement to act on these beliefs?

Way to go, chief.

[Az]

700 mill shekels that would go to universities, IIRC.

It's still despicable.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Azazel
700 mill shekels that would go to universities, IIRC.

It's still despicable.

Its not quite the same thing - Shas wanted the shekels for institutions it controls - its not like Shinui runs Israeli universities. And Shinui supported disengagement anyway - its more something to offset Shinuis discomfort with the bribes to Shas.

Building an Israeli society of University grads on the one hand, and superstitious Shasniks on the other

[Ramo]

Since they're punished not for the act of murder ( If they were, we'd see life sentences ) but for supporting it morally, I don't see how they're being punished for the actions of other if they were, say, awarded a trip for 2 years of recreation and hard labor.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
So you think that people should be punished for their beliefs even if they take no action to support these beliefs, nor speak publically in a manner which can be considered incitement to act on these beliefs?

Way to go, chief.

I think people who threadjack from the details of current Israeli politics to the general morality of collective punishment should be beaten with sticks - but only the threadjackers should be, their relatives should be left alone - hell, the relatives have probably suffered enough already

[Az]

Originally posted by Ramo

Since they're punished not for the act of murder ( If they were, we'd see life sentences ) but for supporting it morally, I don't see how they're being punished for the actions of other if they were, say, awarded a trip for 2 years of recreation and hard labor.

how about you stop Dinoing and grace me with a reply?


lotm:

of course it's not the same. The method is the same, though, and thus is despicable.

[muxec]

2lord :aprove:

BTW Shas is not much better than Hamas. If you separate religion from laws some ultrorthodox antizionist judaists (not all but not few) will become terrorists or pro-terrorists.

BTW, Azazel, do you plan to vote on next parlament elections?

[muxec]

1:1 Today Sharon failed to add new ministers.