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  • #16
    Well, as an aethist, I share your disdain for religion in general- I specifically find monotheistic religions bloody minded. At the same time, I don;t view Islam any worse than Christianity. The question is how fundamnetalist one is.
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    • #17
      interesting.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sava
        well the Bible is full of **** too ya know
        The Old Testament only. And Jesus came to free us from it.

        I don;t view Islam any worse than Christianity. The question is how fundamnetalist one is.
        Did Jesus want apostates to be killed? Or led a war against somebody?
        Last edited by Heresson; March 28, 2005, 00:54.
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        • #19
          Christianity had a ~650 year start on Islam, so what were Christians doing to "sinners" 650 years ago?

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          • #20
            Did Jesus want apostates to be killed? Or led a war against somebody?
            No, so what went wrong with Christianity? It became an ideology thanks to Constantine making it a state religion.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Heresson


              The Old Testament only. And Jesus came to free us from it.
              He did? Good, cause I am certainly willing to covet my neighbor's wife, if she is hot. Good to know Jesus freed' us from those barabaric laws. The ones about Gays too, right?

              Did Jesus want apostates to be killed? Or led a war against somebody?
              We won't ever know how far he would have gone- unlike Mohammed, he let his enemies get the better of him.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Heresson


                The Old Testament only. And Jesus came to free us from it.
                So why do Christians keep refering to the Old Testament for justifications to commit plenty of nasty things instead of just relying on Jesus' teachings?

                Did Jesus want apostates to be killed? Or led a war against somebody?
                No, he didn't. So why did Christians go on to do as such anyway?
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                • #23
                  You see, when you call Christianity stupid, it is hilarious, but if you call Islam stupid, you are a racist.

                  Let's just agree that they're both stupid, alright?
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                  • #24
                    Christianity as defined by the teachings of Jesus isnt stupid, even the apostates 'o Islam refer to the golden rule as the essence of goodness. Its just what people claiming to be Christians have done to the religion that is stupid. I mean, the term "conservative Christian" is an ideological reference and Jesus made it clear not to mix ideology with his teachings.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Berzerker
                      Christianity as defined by the teachings of Jesus isnt stupid, even the apostates 'o Islam refer to the golden rule as the essence of goodness. Its just what people claiming to be Christians have done to the religion that is stupid. I mean, the term "conservative Christian" is an ideological reference and Jesus made it clear not to mix ideology with his teachings.
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                      • #26
                        Fundimentalist Christians are stupid but there is a difference between Islam and Christianity. The Koran says that only good muslims are fundimentalists (i.e. follow every tenet of the Koran and every teaching of Mohammed) including beating your wife (wives), killing apostates & nonbelievers, that it is ok to steal from or kill nonbelievers, then you also have Mohammed (who is the highest moral authority in Islam after god) raping, murdering, assassinating political rivals, ordering Jews slaughtered for not joining his cult, commited pedophilia with a 9 year old, and dozens of other horrible things.

                        I find them both disagreeable but Islam is by fa rthe more loathsom of the two.
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                        • #27
                          dude, judaism is the stupidest of all.
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                          • #28
                            dude, judaism is the stupidest of all.


                            Hardly... they have the best jokes. Did you ever hear a Muslim tell a good Muslim joke, or a Christian tell any kind of joke?
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                            • #29
                              I'd agree Islam started out stupid, Christianity only became stupid after ~300 years

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                              • #30
                                The Koran says that only good muslims are fundimentalists


                                And the Bible says you can just follow the verses you want, right?

                                commited pedophilia with a 9 year old


                                This statement by itself shows that you are coming at this with prejudice and bias and not logically weighing Christianity and Islam. I've heard this on numerous occasions by ignorant people who don't realize that there are sometimes familial obligations to marry people, but that doesn't mean you have sex with them.

                                The 9 year old was married by Muhammed, but he did not have consummate the marriage when she was young. It was done because her family was killed and according to Arabic tradition he was to take her as a wife so she would be taken care of, not to have sex with .

                                One of the main problems is people trying to analyize another culture without any knowledge of that culture other than the shallowest view.
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